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  • #46
    Originally posted by Whaleboy
    Hang on a second... you're saying that the Beatles are somehow representative of modern liberalism? How can you possible go from something vaguely symptomatic to such a sweeping statement?

    Hair and promotion of drug use? How firstly does that have any bearing upon liberalism as a premise and how secondly does liberalism promote drug use (which is different to legitimising it)?

    The nedaverse is indeed a strange place. One might even say that you're smoking something...
    Sure, Whaleboy. I just wanted to point out what happened in the 60s.
    http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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    • #47
      That's fine, but I don't think you can attack modern liberalism using that as a premise or an example. I don't see modern liberalism being anything especially different from classical liberalism, same essential philosophy, different implimentation because of a different world.
      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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      • #48
        Originally posted by The Mad Monk
        You were having an election?

        Why didn't you say so?
        Cuz no one cares?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Whaleboy
          That's fine, but I don't think you can attack modern liberalism using that as a premise or an example. I don't see modern liberalism being anything especially different from classical liberalism, same essential philosophy, different implimentation because of a different world.
          But it is more true today that "conservatives," at least in the US, are more about promoting individual liberty from government control of their lives than so-called liberals, who are, at least in the US, more concerned about promoting, as you suggest, hedonism.
          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kuciwalker
            Originally posted by The Mad Monk

            You were having an election?

            Why didn't you say so?
            Cuz no one cares?
            Nailed it right in the head there. I mean, Australian Idol outrated the debate a few weeks back. If that little tidbit wasn't actually mentioned in the news the next day, I don't think Australia would have even known there was a debate going on.
            "Corporation, n, An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." -- Ambrose Bierce
            "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -- Benjamin Franklin
            "Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path of destruction." -- Thomas Jefferson

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            • #51
              My advice to any of you is don't moan about politics - "get involved". Win or lose, you play your part and then even losing doesn't seem quite so bad. That's the way I feel now. The workers from other parties were cool people. I liked all of them. We shared food and stuff, and talked a lot.
              I think getting involved also makes people less cynical about the process.

              Although I'm surprised that in Australia they allow state workers to act as party functionaries.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #52
                Originally posted by finbar
                I'm leaving the country.
                What about Canada? Their the "Junkheap of Global Liberal Losers who can't hack it in their home nation of birth."

                Seriously.


                I've seen the bumper sticker.

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                • #53
                  Urgh - I didn't see this result coming. I though Labor would at least pick up a seat or two

                  However, what's got me really depressed is the prospect of the Liberals controlling the Senate in alliance with a Christian fundamentalist. Goodbye Medicare, Telstra, the last remnants of a fair IR system, media cross-ownership laws and independant Senate hearings.

                  What a disaster
                  Last edited by Case; October 9, 2004, 20:01.
                  'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
                  - Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

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                  • #54
                    Congratulations Australia on the election.

                    Deep down inside, you're okay.

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                    • #55
                      Hooray, no Labor for another few years!
                      I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                      • #56
                        Aww... poor Australia, with its mandatory voting statute voted in a conservative, pro-US Prime Minister. Those American bastards!!

                        You guys can be unbelievable, I sometimes wonder if you ever really think.

                        If Australia voted (and in theory 100% of the population did) for a Pro-US, pro-Iraq War, pro-conservative PM, then thats who the Australian people want and those are the values that reflect them best. Australia shouldn't be held in any higher or lower regard than the US itself because clearly their outlooks on the world are congruous.

                        The moral is: if you're going to be xenophobic and discriminatory, at least be consistent.

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                        • #57
                          Geez, dude. Who pissed in your cornflakes? From what I've been told, US-related issues weren't predominate in this election (it's Australia, not the US, after all).
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #58
                            /me crosses Oz off possible places for being an ex-pat for the next few years.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #59
                              From what I've seen, the major issue for people was the economy.
                              I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                              • #60
                                Dang, Whaleboy had a nice turnaround. He was getting pwnd by Ned at the beginning, but he turned it into an impressively decisive victory
                                "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                                Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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