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"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen -
I would like to hear the reaction of non Americans when Cheney used El Salvador as a shining example of freedom under his watch.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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just a question :
does anybody have an idea of the number of undecided voters state wise ?
because, the way i see it (from a safe distance
) nobody who has already made up his mind is going to change is vote.
"Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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The decision is in. Another debate victory for the Democrats.
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New article up on www.factcheck.org about the debate:
Some really good stuff there about how the candidates got so much stuff wrong, including the name of www.factcheck.org
Damn do I love that website.Stop Quoting BenComment
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Damn straight. When I heard Cheney say, "Our most important ally in the war on terror, in Iraq specifically, is Prime Minister Allawi" I nearly flipped on behalf of our Polish comrades. How could he forget their contribution?Originally posted by Edan
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the polish voters block is very important
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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Now, now . . . . . to be fair, we need to take Cheney's old age into consideration.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Cheney's a dirty Liar.
CHENEY: The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.
Hi gang!
Maybe the old fart just simply forgot about that first meeting.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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That may have been said in jest, but in fact it's true. Pennsylvania, Ohio, and the rest of the industrial midwest are riddled with people with Polish ancestry. I'm not sure how many identify with Poland the country, but it's certainly more than identify with France the country, for instance.the polish voters block is very importantI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Actually, they met 3 times before last night, and Cheney addressed Edwards by name and sat next to him for 3 hours at the prayer breakfast.
If it's senility, fine, but that doesn't help his case for being VP.
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Maybe their first meeting was very short and they did not have the chance to actually talk and get to know each other.Originally posted by MrFun
Now, now . . . . . to be fair, we need to take Cheney's old age into consideration.
Maybe the old fart just simply forgot about that first meeting.
'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
If it's senility, fine, but that doesn't help his case for being VP.
true that
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Originally posted by The diplomat
Maybe their first meeting was very short and they did not have the chance to actually talk and get to know each other.Actually, they met 3 times before last night, and Cheney addressed Edwards by name and sat next to him for 3 hours at the prayer breakfast.
Cheney made a bald-faced lie, and you know it.
He was also being, at the very least, quite misleading in his characterization of his visits to Congress. As the Democratic caucus points out, they rarely ever see Cheney, as when he does go to the Hill, it is usually to seclude himself with the GOP caucus and plot strategy. It's not as if he's there on the floor of the Senate in his official duty as the president of the Senate, which he implied.Last edited by Boris Godunov; October 6, 2004, 10:08.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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Apparently a lot of other people do as well. Thier server is too busy for me to read any of thier pages right now.Originally posted by Boshko
Damn do I love that website.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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The debate to me was a draw
Cheney seemed to alternate between being the knowledgeable grandfather (sweater and a pipe would be appropriate) and being a grumpy old man
Edwards came across as a bright young whippersnapper
On substance I thought that Edwards was ahead until they got to the question of why "you" are qualified and were not supposed to use the presidential candidates name-- Edwards seeme to be fumbling a bit there. Closings went to Edwards by a hair. Also it seemed to me that like the Doonebury cartoons suggest, 9-11 is the answer to every problem. Thats why the economy sucks etc.
I did not think Edwards handled the question of his lack of experience very well. Why can't a candidate simply indicate that they don't believe that a long long record of public service is NOT necessary to gain skills necessary for the job. That leadership skills learned in the private sector, added to senatorial experience and some good fresh ideas make him qualified for the job
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So overall a draw . .. I don't think anyone won much and the partisans on each side are too busy cheering to care what really happened
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Oh the NBC affiliate out of Spokane Wash indicated they did a telephone survey after the debate that indicated
Edwards clearly won 43%
Cheney clearly won 38%
Too close to call 19%
They indicated it was a "random" survey accurate to +- 4% . They then went on to a couple of other poll numbers indicating Dems doing well so I wondered if the debate results were a result of a dem leaning in the state
edit- left out a NOTYou don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto LuongoComment
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