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I never said that Cheney was perfect, though.
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Haha.Vote preference among debate viewers
Before the debate After the debate
Nader/Camejo <1% 0%
As for the CBS poll, thats only 500 people, I suspect it will even out to look more like the CNN one once more people vote. the CNN one has 150k+ people there.Comment
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The CNN poll's an internet poll. So it means absolutely nothing. Besides the fact that Kerry supporters have flooded the poll.
This was a probably a fair victory for Edwards, but nowhere close to that margin."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The ABC poll doesn't surprise me at all, save the fact that they seemed to oversample Republicans and/or undersample Democrats.
The CBS data stuns the everloving **** outta me. I'm really puzzled on how a fairly large margin of undecided voters thought Edwards won the debate..."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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The expectations game and style."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Hey, I'm glad they think that Edwards won, but come on... who cares about expectations? That's how Bush "won" the debates in 2000."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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Yeah, and CNN gets alot of international viewers who won't affect the election at all.Originally posted by Ramo
The CNN poll's an internet poll. So it means absolutely nothing. Besides the fact that Kerry supporters have flooded the poll.
This was a probably a fair victory for Edwards, but nowhere close to that margin.
But a 78% vote is at least an indication if nothing else.Comment
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Wasn't able to watch but listened on the radio (can't judge on visuals)
But from what I heard I would say slightly larger margin of victory to Cheney over Edwards than the victory of Kerry over Bush
Kerry B
Bush D
Cheney - B+ maybe even A-
Edwards D maybe D+"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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That sounds about right. I wonder what lines will be pounced on in the post-debate spin in the way that "global test" was on the first debate. I hope they do some good work with Edwards talking about Cheney's voting record.quote:
ABC News poll, 509 interviews +/- 4.5
Who won?
(among debate viewers)
Cheney 43%
Edwards 35%
Tie 19%Stop Quoting BenComment
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Cheney DID make one factual screwup during the debate. He presumably meant to suggest that voters check out www.factcheck.org in order to bolster one of the points he made, but he actually told voters to go to www.factcheck.com , an address that sends that redirects the browser to www.GeorgeSoros.com , a website bashing President Bush and talking about why American should vote for John Kerry!
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Ah, what a difference seeing the thing makes. Edwards definately "looked" better than Bush so I think from a television-watching point of view Cheney's victory was definately narrower than Kerry's, the first polls we're seeing are bearing this out.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Wasn't able to watch but listened on the radio (can't judge on visuals)
But from what I heard I would say slightly larger margin of victory to Cheney over Edwards than the victory of Kerry over Bush
Kerry B
Bush D
Cheney - B+ maybe even A-
Edwards D maybe D+Stop Quoting BenComment
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Of what I saw, Edwards was just barely keeping up with Cheney. Cheney can talk. He knows what the hell he's saying. Edwards does too, but Cheney's been doing it about twice as long as Edwards has. Although a couple of times he dropped the silence bomb, Cheney still held things together. I give Cheney an A and Edwards an A-. For debate, not for content, mind you.
There were moments when Cheney avoided the question or something, but that's content.
so far:
Last thursday
Kerry A
Bush C
Today
Edwards A-
Cheney Ameet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Wasn't able to watch but listened on the radio (can't judge on visuals)
But from what I heard I would say slightly larger margin of victory to Cheney over Edwards than the victory of Kerry over Bush
Kerry B
Bush D
Cheney - B+ maybe even A-
Edwards D maybe D+
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has anyone posted this picture yet?
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Oh, and as for expecatations, I very well expected Bush to screw up. But I expected Cheney to be one slick sum*****, and sure as hell he was.
But Edwards disappointed me. I figgered he'd come through and send the old man into cardiac arrest. It isn't like he can't. There's gotta be dirt on Cheney. Either way though he just didn't keep up the pace completely. And when he was interrupting. I was like, "What the hell are you doing!?" But maybe he just can't keep it down. Up against a flow of BS like Cheney, I'm sure it must be hard.
In conclusion, everyone lined up with my expectations except Edwards.meet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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