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  • Why don't you substantiate this 4 million that we willingly slaughtered and then chanted allah is great as we cut off their heads.


    Well, the US forces didn't chant "Allah is Great" - but lets see, thousands in Kosovo, a large bulk, a one to two million in Vietnam, 60,000 in Nicaragua, 13,000 in Chile, oh yes, Somalia: US forces tried to "intervene" in 1993 to take control of the warlord situation, and ended up massacring thousands, hundreds of thousands in Dresden, countless incidents such as these.

    Reagan? You must be joking. I don't think I've ever seen someone more outlandish than you.


    Reagan is a terrible hypocrite. He was one of the major proponents of the contra terrorist operation in Nicaragua. Not to mention, he continued to defy the Congress after it ruled it illegal to continue to order such actions in Nicaragua.

    What do you mean by "outlandish"? Is it because it dissents to the common view?

    I don't know of too many atheists that go out and chop people's heads off in the name of god.


    Terribly ignorant, aren't you? A lot of athiest extremist groups do that...just not in the name of God.

    Of course athiests wouldn't chop people's heads off in the name of God - they're athiests. And they don't chop, they just gun down people.

    If they were so widespread we wouldn't have widespread terrorism now would we? Do you see Nazi's running around terrorizing the world? No. Because they're few and far between. Do you see moderate muslims out in force giving up terrorist positions and kicking them out of their houses? No.


    If anti-war protestors were so widespread (they number millions, London, etc.) they would stop the Iraq war. Nice logic there. Nazis aren't few and far between...ie. look at stormfront.org, quite an active and huge organisation, Neo-Nazism has a huge membership....

    Why would moderate Muslims kick people out of their houses? They are moderate. They don't resort to violence. They campaign with words. You contradict yourself. You are insensitive - when you try to make analogies to other views, you get them all wrong.

    Athiests wouldn't chop people's heads off in the name of God. Moderate Muslims aren't radical. Moderate people aren't extremist. Kicking people out of houses is an extremist and radical thing to do. I mean if they were landlords, thats another thing. Many moderates are normal people - how would they fight against the radicals effectively?

    Only with their voice. Non-violent revolution. You know, Ghandi didn't win independence with non-violent revolution easily as well, it took years.

    Islam does both to the extreme. There were people like you in this country before 9/11 who all they wanted to do was see the other side and lets understand the terrorists. I'm glad those people have been silenced.


    I have no respect for Reagan or the US. I'm glad those soldiers in Iraq have been silenced. I

    (actually I am not, but thats just an eye for an eye reply - just making you see your lack of logic)

    Islam will never wipe out the USA, but it will hurt our way of life and make life difficult. Everytime I see someone beheaded and then people cheering it just pushes me that much closer to calling for all out war against Islam. Nothing is more disgusting than killing in the name of religion considering that the god you are killing for is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.


    Everytime I see people abuse morphine and sleeping pills and alcohol, I feel like declaring war against it by banning it. Everytime I see people abusing fats and salts, I feel like banning it. In fact, lets ban carbohydrates! Lets declare war against the great menace of obesity that plagues more than half of the American population!

    Islam will never wipe out the USA


    [hitler]THE JEW WILL NEVER WIPE OUT THE SUPERIORITY OF THE ARYAN RACE! WE WILL PREVAIL! WHY SHOULD WE LET THEM HURT THE GLORY OF THE GREATER GERMANY AND THE GERMAN REICH?[/hitler]

    Or, lets say, Kai-Shek who thought he had finally crushed Mao when he sent him packing to Manchuria.

    Or the Emperior Shi-Huangdi who believed his empire would last for 10,000 generations.

    More nationalism, we need.

    Tell me, how do you know that Islam is just a major pain to the standard of living, and will not dethrone the US? Isn't that what the mighty Roman Empire believed about the "barbarians"?
    Last edited by Natalinasmpf; September 29, 2004, 15:09.
    Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
    The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
    Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
    We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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    • Natalinasmpf,

      I wasn't aware of U.S. military intervention in Sudan in 1993. I *do* recall intervention elsewhere in Africa at that time, and a big 'ole mess that resulted in a withdrawl. Are you perhaps mixing Sudan up with Somalia?

      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • Are you perhaps mixing Sudan up with Somalia?


        Oops! I am.

        Sorry for the mistake, a slip there.
        Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
        The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
        Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
        We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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        • Originally posted by Arrian
          I wouldn't miss any of the religions, honestly, but ML just seems to have a hardon for Islam in the particular.

          -Arrian
          Islam is the only one that I really have a problem with. I don't like christians either, but they seem to be behaving themselves at the moment.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
            Are you perhaps mixing Sudan up with Somalia?


            Oops! I am.

            Sorry for the mistake, a slip there.
            No problemo. Lots of messed up countries in Africa, lots of U.S. interventions... mistakes will happen.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • Islam is the only one that I really have a problem with. I don't like christians either, but they seem to be behaving themselves at the moment.


              You probably only have a problem with it because its the current problem.

              If I asked you, which would be a greater threat, tubercolosis, smallpox, cholera or AIDS, you'd probably say AIDS, because we've successfully fought off tubercolosis and cholera epidemics and now we can deal better with it. Smallpox has been confined to but a few labs. We downplay past events - human nature.

              But its not religion being the root of the problems. Any cause can be hijacked. Food and drugs can be abused. Weapons for hunting can turn into homicide killers. Does that mean we should ban or declare war against it? No.

              Oh...don't forget how the US intervened in Nicaragua and Chile..failures in Iraq..it seems that "US foreign actions campaigning for democracy that are beneficial are few and far between". I know! Lets declare war against democracy!

              That is the logic ML is using.
              Last edited by Natalinasmpf; September 29, 2004, 15:26.
              Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
              The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
              Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
              We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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              • Originally posted by Kidicious


                Islam is the only one that I really have a problem with. I don't like christians either, but they seem to be behaving themselves at the moment.
                Really? Consider who is currently running our country, Kid (hint: wackjob fundy "born again" Christian).

                -Arrian, devil's advocate

                "Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name..."
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • I don't think GWB is a real fundy, he's just a puppet of his neo-conservative party mostly - no right-thinking man who had a real cause would make such flip flops and contradictions and mistakes in his speech. Such mistakes only happen when what you say isn't what you truly believe. He's just been instructed to appeal to the conservative side of the US.
                  Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
                  The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
                  Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
                  We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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                  • Economic -7.75
                    Social -5.44

                    Got a bit more free 'n' easy I see. Expected it too.

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                    • The man is definitely a born-again, which means he's pretty hardcore. The converts are always the worst most zealous.

                      That doesn't mean he can't be a puppet too. Look, to a certain extent all U.S. Presidents are figureheads. Bush happens to be a figurehead who has real problems with public speech and basic logic.

                      -Arrian
                      Last edited by Arrian; September 29, 2004, 15:45.
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
                        But its not religion being the root of the problems. Any cause can be hijacked. Food and drugs can be abused. Weapons for hunting can turn into homicide killers. Does that mean we should ban or declare war against it? No.
                        I don't think religion is hijacked. I think it's bad for people, and for the world. I don't bother to differentiate between fundamentalists and moderates. It doesn't matter to me. I have no problem with you having the freedom to practice your religion, even though it doesn't benefit me directly, because I don't care to practice religion, but when your religion is causing violence then of course I have a problem with it.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • but when your religion is causing violence then of course I have a problem with it.




                          By proceeding to blanket the entire religion as a whole?
                          Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
                          The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
                          Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
                          We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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                          • I'm still the commie champ!!!
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • Originally posted by Arrian


                              Really? Consider who is currently running our country, Kid (hint: wackjob fundy "born again" Christian).

                              -Arrian, devil's advocate

                              "Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name..."
                              Bush being a christian doesn't bother me. I don't paticularly care for christians in general, because most of them that I have met are real jerks, but some of them are Ok, even if their views are wacked. My problem with Bush is that he hates the poor, and I really believe that, even though he pretends differently.
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                              • Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
                                but when your religion is causing violence then of course I have a problem with it.




                                By proceeding to blanket the entire religion as a whole?
                                Like I said, I don't like religion. I have no problem with you practicing it, except where there are peoples lives and such on the line, but if you can't practice your religion, it's really no big deal to me. Freedom to practice religion is not very important to me.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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