The Nation of Greenland?

[OzzyKP]

Do they have a flag? No flag, no country, thats the rule.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Unlike my favorite relativist friends I have the ability of being coherent

Actually the opposite. You are surrounded in your doubletalk.

How many in Texas feel like their adherence to the US is forced?

Why didn't you ask them in 1860? Was it wrong for the US to bring them back into the fold?

Of course when people come to change their mind about a political situation the right to secession becomes absurd.

You mean like over 50% of Quebecois voting to stay in Canada?

At the time Quebec joined the Confederation, it was an oppressed country under military occupation.

And it ain't now. It is of no consequence how it joined. Years and years of history indicate that Quebec is not being oppressed.

Btw, when Texas (and the rest of the South) rejoined the union they were also an oppressed country under military occupation.

When one assumes that the Anglos of Montreal could preserve their association with Canada, they mean that the voting districts where their votes are taken and counted do have some kind of legitimacy as political entities, while in fact they are arbitrary administrative abstractions to make elections proceed more fluently.

Who said that? Montreal itself is an Anglo city. It has nothing to do with 'voting districts', but an entire city and geographical region.

1. A group of people cannot be oppressed when one of its delegates holds high magistrature in the government.
2. Hermann Goering was homosexual.

Any proof Goering was a homosexual? And even if he was, I can assure you it was not known he was one.

Everyone knows the PM is from Quebec. Everyone knows that the Liberal party is dominated by Quebec. It ain't a strawman at all, but an uncomfortable fact that you can't explain away. And goes to prove your claims about Quebec's oppressed status is long behind it.

They are a clear minority and not a distinct nation within another

They belong to a distinct nation, ie, Canadian. A seperate Quebec rips the nation asunder and those part of the Canadian nation stuck inside a non-Canadian entity.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Who said that? Montreal itself is an Anglo city. It has nothing to do with 'voting districts', but an entire city and geographical region.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Typo... I meant parts of Montreal are basically Anglo (or Canadian if you want) cities, like West Island. Which isn't a 'voting district', but a distinct geographical region.

[Fake Boris]

OK Imran I will give you the numbers at least instead of laughing at you.

Languages with % of people speaking it most often at home, island of Montreal:

French: 56,4%
English: 24,6%
Other: 18,6%

When the same stats are given for the whole metropolitan area, the picture gets even clearer:

French: 70,7%
English: 17,4%
Other: 11,9%

So the parts were English people are majoritary are absurdly small: they are limited to some streets in the city.

Edit: I've been DanSed

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Typo... I meant parts of Montreal are basically Anglo (or Canadian if you want) cities, like West Island. Which isn't a 'voting district', but a distinct geographical region.

Damn... will have to change my sig

[Heresson]

Quebec's national anthem WILL NOT be some Celine Dion's song, right?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
With the collapse of Canada and a lot of added territory for the US.

I didn't know you wanted the US to lean further left politically.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
This is not terribly important anyway, as again you missed the point. At the time Quebec joined the Confederation, it was an oppressed country under military occupation. This historical problem has not been solved.

Actually, it was a self governing colony with all the same rights, and some extra, as any other of BNA. The legislature of the Colony opted to join.

It is of note that the issue was hotly contested in the Maritimes even after Confederation (the possibility of repeal being considered). That was not so in Quebec.

[notyoueither]

And incidently, because of some of the special concessions made to Quebec prior to Confederation, Francos and RCs have enjoyed the same rights nationally ever since. The right to a seperate school system being one of them.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually, it was a self governing colony with all the same rights, and some extra, as any other of BNA. The legislature of the Colony opted to join.

The choice was Canada or England, not Canada or autonomy! Remember that a republican rebellion in Quebec had been crushed a mere 30 years before the Confederation.

It is of note that the issue was hotly contested in the Maritimes even after Confederation (the possibility of repeal being considered). That was not so in Quebec.

Those were the times. It still remains that the population never was given the choice, and that it became increasingly angry over that in starting in the 60s.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And incidently, because of some of the special concessions made to Quebec prior to Confederation, Francos and RCs have enjoyed the same rights nationally ever since. The right to a seperate school system being one of them.

Which was canceled almost everywhere.

[notyoueither]

As were rebellions in Ontario. Responsible government was desired. Responsible government was achieved in 1867.

The population got a choice in the people it returned as reps to the Legislature. That is the way this works. It's the way we governed ourselves then, and it is the way we govern ourselves now.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris

Which was canceled almost everywhere.

No, it has not been. There are seperate school systems across the land to this day as a consequence of the Quebec Act and the assent of Quebec to Confederation.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
As were rebellions in Ontario. Responsible government was desired. Responsible government was achieved in 1867.

Those were not of the same nature.

The population got a choice in the people it returned as reps to the Legislature. That is the way this works. It's the way we governed ourselves then, and it is the way we govern ourselves now.

Interestingly, the elected legislature held sufficient legitimacy to join the Confederation - so why wouldn't an elected PQ have the right to leave it?

Admit it, there was a democratic deficit back in the times. In the RoC no one cares because it's still what they want. Here things have evolved differently.