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  • Our previous actions are the cause for the troubles today. Why would you want that CIA.
    What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
    What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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    • They were competent at what they set out to do.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • The only problem is that what they set out to do goes against the principles the U.S. was founded on. You know self-determination, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, avoid entangling alliances, and etc.
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        What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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        • Point being?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • Even if the devil is good at his job it's still not a good idea to hire him.
            What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
            What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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            • Originally posted by notyoueither
              Maybe we should ignore the Hungarian and Czech experience. That would make the Sovs look more peace loving.
              That was domestic policy. And Czechoslovakia is a Central European country; Hungary is an Eastern European one.

              Anyone who thinks the Red Army was kept out of Western Europe by anything other than the threat of the USAF is deluded.
              Again, tell me what's more deterrent about American missiles than French or British ones?
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • Originally posted by Oncle Boris

                Again, tell me what's more deterrent about American missiles than French or British ones?
                Quantity
                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  Democratically elected my ass.


                  From your post:

                  he was twice "elected" by parliament to be prime minister


                  The Majlis voted for Mossedegh twice because of his immense popularity to be the Prime Minister.

                  Mossedegh only turned to consolidate his power because the CIA and MI6 were clandestinely trying to oust him from power and this is documented. CIA director Allen Dulles approved $1 million to be used in any way to bring about the fall of Mossadegh. Operation Ajax was intended to bring about his fall. They did this BEFORE Mossadegh dismissed parliament!

                  With all that, can you blame the man for consolidating power and trying to get rid of the Shah for his complicity in the matter.

                  Before you dismiss this as an anti-American story, it was acknowledged by SecState Albright and the New York Times blew the cover off the the US's involvement in attempting to overthrow a democratic government. It was democratic when Operation Ajax was implimented. Because it turned less so during the operation is immaterial.

                  Though I do love how you have to resort to insults because you realize your untenous position.
                  The "plot" was to have the Shah fire him, which was his legal right. Instead he forced the Shah to flee.

                  You still do not acknowledge that he dismissed parliament and assumed all power. Such a person is a usurper.

                  Madam Albright is woefully misnamed.

                  On edit: This guy was on some sort of socialist warpath far earlier than any Brit plot. He nationalized the oil industry without offering to pay, he seized control of the army, he stripped landlords of their property and formed collective farms, he dismissed parliament. This man was a "democrat"? Come to think of it, he was a Democrat!!
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                  • Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                    Quantity
                    Indeed, quantity. So the Soviets would have attacked if they knew it meant a 400 or so missiles counterstrike instead of a a 2,000 one?
                    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                    • Originally posted by Oncle Boris


                      Indeed, quantity. So the Soviets would have attacked if they knew it meant a 400 or so missiles counterstrike instead of a a 2,000 one?
                      Pretty much so, yes.

                      Damn Reds.
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                      • Even if the devil is good at his job it's still not a good idea to hire him.


                        Touche

                        You still do not acknowledge that he dismissed parliament and assumed all power. Such a person is a usurper.


                        AFTER the CIA and MI6 moved in and tried to knock him out from power. So we moved against a democratically elected government. We didn't move after he dismissed the Majlis, did we? In fact that's partially the reason he did dismiss it. Foriegn intelligence agencies trying to overthrow the government counts as suitable for 'emergency powers'.

                        This guy was on some sort of socialist warpath far earlier than any Brit plot. He nationalized the oil industry without offering to pay, he seized control of the army, he stripped landlords of their property and formed collective farms, he dismissed parliament. This man was a "democrat"?


                        Do you have problems understanding the word democracy? All of those were popular measures (the man was loved in Iran at the time of his overthrow). Countries are allowed to nationalize industries and especially when backed by the people. I'd rather have the army controled by a democratically elected Prime Minister than a monarchical Shah. Stripping people of property and going for collectivization is fine under democracy when most people want it. And, again, he dismissed Majlis after the US and UK began to try to oust him.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • Originally posted by MalevolentLight
                          mindseye what would happen if you talked bad of China right now and called for the removal of the Communist regime?
                          Sorry I just saw this.

                          To be honest, I'm not sure what you are asking. Do you mean, could I do that on the internet? Here at Apolyton, no problem. On a major BBS hosted inside the PRC, I could, but the post probably wouldn't last long.

                          Is that what you are asking about?
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                          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                            Even if the devil is good at his job it's still not a good idea to hire him.


                            Touche
                            How so? When it comes to advancing the national interest, I don't really care how they get things done. I'm fairly amoral when it comes to things like that.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              How so? When it comes to advancing the national interest, I don't really care how they get things done. I'm fairly amoral when it comes to things like that.
                              Yes we know -- you constantly complain about your "give a ****" is broken and ask where you can go to get it repaired.
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                                How so? When it comes to advancing the national interest, I don't really care how they get things done. I'm fairly amoral when it comes to things like that.
                                There is a huge difference between what you are told is in the nations best interest and what is actually in the nation's best interest.
                                What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                                What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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