Kerry's Speech on Iraq

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
We kept the Soviets off your back so STFU

Especially considering that both France and England were nuclear powers.

[Ted Striker]

Of course, it was French deterrence that saved the day.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Does anyone really believe that Bush is going to bring democracy to places like in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Pakistan.

It is already happening, oh misled one.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


I was ashamed of his speech [Bush's to the UN], how he could go before the entire world and launch a damn campaign speech.

Did you actually listen to the speech as I did? That may have been the best speech ever delivered to the UN.

[Ned]

Originally posted by aaglo


Well, that's excactly what USA has been doing (supporting ruthless, mass murdering, raping, torturing DICTATORS) for the last 40 years around the globe. Saddam Hussein is included in those dictators.

Yeah, sure.

Even if it were true in the past, Bush has said that America's future and the hope of mankind lies in "democracy" and freedom for the world's people. In human rights and in women's rights.

Bush is right. It is almost ludicrous that people like Kerry oppose democracy, human rights and women's rights for the sake of petty party politics. He should be ashamed.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Hey Ned its the Repubs that are the party of oppression crushing civil rights in every form. Betrayers of the party of Lincoln and all that jazz. Didn't you get the DNC talking points?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ned

Kerry oppose democracy

Haven't you heard of the new protest movement DAD?

(Democrats Against Democracy)

[Ned]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


Haven't you heard of the new protest movement DAD?

(Democrats Against Democracy)

Tick Tock
Flip Flop
What time is it?
Time for Kerry to declare
His position du jour

Tick Tock
Flip Flop

[lightblue]

If you think either one of them wants to encourage free democracy in the Middle East you're all off your rockers. The moment there's a free election (i.e. no restrictions on which parties are included), msot of these countries will, on the back of the poor and longtime oppressed, vote in regimes that will share a lot with somewhere like Iran. These democracies will soon turn to theocracies, and bingo, more extremist muslim states.

[Giancarlo]

Actually Iran is on the verge of turning democratic from theocratic. 75% of the population wants radical change (according to past elections where the reformists overwhelmingly won).

[lightblue]

Meant Iran in the 80's. Now the poor and oppressed realise that a theocracy doesn't hold their interest in hands either, so they're ready for trying something else. I wouldn't want a theocratic Saudi state for 15-20yrs though before they realise it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by lightblue
If you think either one of them wants to encourage free democracy in the Middle East you're all off your rockers. The moment there's a free election (i.e. no restrictions on which parties are included), msot of these countries will, on the back of the poor and longtime oppressed, vote in regimes that will share a lot with somewhere like Iran. These democracies will soon turn to theocracies, and bingo, more extremist muslim states.

Well, that did happen in Iran in 52. But, what happened in '53?

[Pax]

The key to DEMOCRACY or any form of government is that it has to have the support of enough people or enough people have to not care enough to change the system. What is basically the right of self-determination. An outside party cannot legitimately decide what form of government another country should have.
That is why the Iranians revolted in the 70's and that is why the Iranians are looking to change their form of government without U.S. involvement. Iran is a prime example of the will of the people at work.

[Ned]

Pax, the Iranian clerics, particularly Ayatollah Khomeni, revolted due to the introduction into Iran of liberal Western culture, including and most importantly, liberalization of women's rights.

[Pax]

So....My statement is a universal one and has little to do with the cause of revolts. I'm pointing out that in order for a revolt or even an election to be won or lost enough of the right people have to give a damn enough to do something about it and enough of the right people have to be complacent. For evil to triumph good men have to do nothing. This is true for any situation.