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  • #16
    What exactly does it raise, imran... our republican turned ultra-democrat? What does it raise? Nothing. It is the same old rhetoric. It has no answers and it has no solutions. Kerry is being the two faced moron he usually is. This is yet another thread about the idiot Kerry I'm just going to ignore.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #17
      Good.
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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      • #18
        My response: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep16.html

        I know all the Bush backers are going to slam this...
        Perhaps they will but his criticism would carry a hell of a lot more weight if his campaign had a consistent position wrt Iraq. As it stands now it reads as nothing more than him blowing in the poitical wind and leaves me waiting for him to change positions again.
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        • #19
          And I want to also ask, what proposal does it exactly have? Kerry backed the war in Iraq, now he says he doesn't. Kerry will lose the election because he can't stick to his word. He will lose the election big time. Kerry is a blundering idiot. The speech is pathetic.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #20
            Kerry voted for the war on Iraq, he just doesn't like the way it's being ran. That's not flipflopping, that's called being responsible.

            The accusations of flip flopping just don't hold up.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              My response: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep16.html
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              • #22
                Yep. That WaPo article completely ignores the significance of the speech, that is pointing out the totally incompetent way in which the Bush Admin. has been occupying Iraq and what ought to be done. There's no flipflopping, because dumbasses like Shrum have been preventing Kerry from actually articulating an opinion on the matter before.
                Last edited by Ramo; September 22, 2004, 00:12.
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                • #23
                  This speech from Kerry was excellent.
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    Kerry voted for the war on Iraq, he just doesn't like the way it's being ran. That's not flipflopping, that's called being responsible.

                    The accusations of flip flopping just don't hold up.

                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      Kerry voted for the war on Iraq, he just doesn't like the way it's being ran. That's not flipflopping, that's called being responsible.

                      The accusations of flip flopping just don't hold up.
                      You and I know that's bull. He's the biggest blunder of a politican I have ever seen. Single handledly collapsed his campaign with his abhorrent flip-flopping. He said he was against the war now. That's a flip-flop. He said he wouldn't of gone to war. It is being managed the best way possible considering the circumstances.

                      What is incompetent about how the Bush adminstration is handling things? Please name some things. And start by presenting an alternate plan. You leftists are so full of yourself... you scream your lungs out about how wrong and incompetent the Bush adminstration is but you can't come up with an alternate plan even if you tried.

                      No, Ramo, you are dead wrong. The speech doesn't highlight anything incompetent about the bush adminstration.. rather it highlights the idiocy and stupidity of Kerry and his idiotic statements that mean nothing.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #26
                        I've already named the alternatives in several threads already. (By the way Kerry's alternative planned is clearly outlined in THIS thread).

                        Now give me specific examples of him flip flopping.

                        Other than what Karl Rove tells you.
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • #27
                          By the way Fez, doesn't it bother you that three Republican senators have called the Administration's handling of the occupation INCOMPETENT ?
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ted Striker
                            I've already named the alternatives in several threads already. (By the way Kerry's alternative planned is clearly outlined in THIS thread).

                            Now give me specific examples of him flip flopping.

                            Other than what Karl Rove tells you.
                            NO YOU HAVEN'T. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATE PLAN. There is NO alternate plan. You either accept what is on the table or you keep screaming insanities. Kerry's "plan" is the receipe for disaster and would result in the deaths of tens of thousands US soldiers, the deaths of hundred of thousands of Iraqis who will due in the impending civil war of a pull out, and a total destruction of the middle east.

                            Kerry flip flopped when he voted to support the war and now says he'd vote against it.

                            Now get the facts right.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ted Striker
                              By the way Fez, doesn't it bother you that three Republican senators have called the Administration's handling of the occupation INCOMPETENT ?
                              Doesn't it bother you plenty of democrats have accused the democratic party of being idiotic? Zill Miller for one? And the only thing incompetent here is the opposition.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #30
                                I could care less about the Democratic Party, you know, since I"m not a Democrat.

                                Sometimes you need to figure out exactly who you are actually talking to before attempting to make a point.
                                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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