3 million illegals to US this year

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Btw, to all the anti-immigration jackasses (and no, just because you're anti-immigration does not make you a jackass, it's your utterly idiotic arguements that do), illegal immigrants cost the US 10 billion dollars. Have you ever thought how much they contribute to the economy? It is estimated that TEN times as much as they cost.

Get your facts straight before dishing in whatever dumbass arguments you can find.

Well you really make yourself look ignorant with a comment like that. If you had bothered to check out the facts yourself you would see that the 10 Billion figure takes into account what they contribute to the economy.

The link you provided is irrelevant because it focuses on legal immigrants.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
That's equivalent to about 1.2% of your population per annum, isn't it? Plus, as already pointed out, that figure is boosted by return visits of seasonal migrant workers.

****adoodle-doo. Where's your Alamo spirit? Going to let a few Mexicans bother you?

There's no bother if I don't have to subsidize them. Unfortunately I do.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Japher
If you don't live in CA, AZ, NM, TX, or maybe even Florida, you just don't see what illegal immigration actually does to a state, not to mention a community. There are pros and cons, but, IMO, the cons far out weight the pros; most ending up in the prison system.

Math and logic aren't your strong suits, are they? If there's "3 million a year" coming in this year (most are seasonal commuters who cross multiple times), or else Latinamerica would be empty if those were the real numbers), then you have a problem, since the total incarceration in the US, is about 3 million, and plenty of those are white. That includes jails and prisons, and both pre-trial transient detainees who haven't made bail yet and sentenced offenders.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Caligastia


There's no bother if I don't have to subsidize them. Unfortunately I do.

Actually, as a whole, they subsidize you for the most part, since they get to pay taxes and fees while having limited or no access to most benefits.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Btw, to all the anti-immigration jackasses (and no, just because you're anti-immigration does not make you a jackass, it's your utterly idiotic arguements that do), illegal immigrants cost the US 10 billion dollars. Have you ever thought how much they contribute to the economy? It is estimated that TEN times as much as they cost.

Get your facts straight before dishing in whatever dumbass arguments you can find.

you are confusing anti-immigration with hating multiculturalism and wanting the economy to not get slowed down by having masses of slave labor available to businesses.

[chequita guevara]

Look, the economy, as it is corruently constituted, simply cannot survive without migrant labor. Are you prepared to triple the price of your food and add another hundred thousand to the cots of your house? Are your or your wife prepared to quit their jobs (further contracting the economy) in order to stay home and take care of the house?

Capitalism needs cheap labor. Unless you're prepared to radically restructure the economy, you need illegal immigrants.

[Whoha]

Come on Che, if we contract the labor market it means that the 18 million native born will just have to be paid a higher wage for their work. It doesn't mean that the economy as we know it will collapse.

[chequita guevara]

It also means 100% will have to double or triple their food bill. That means they won't be able to buy much else.

Okay, I'm BAMing here. The price of food will definately increase, but probably not anywhere near that much. Let's say it causes food prices to jump 5%-10%, though. That's still a significant impact for most families.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Japher
If you don't live in CA, AZ, NM, TX, or maybe even Florida, you just don't see what illegal immigration actually does to a state, not to mention a community. There are pros and cons, but, IMO, the cons far out weight the pros; most ending up in the prison system.

you could have included Nevada in that list.

[Dis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If we didn't have jobs for them, they wouldn't be here. Demand for illegal immigrants is what brings them here.

I'm agreeing with a communist

but it's true. I agree completely. illegal immigration doesn't bother me the least bit.

now if I can find a mexican cutie to marry me...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, as a whole, they subsidize you for the most part, since they get to pay taxes and fees while having limited or no access to most benefits.

You say that as if it is a bad thing.

More fuel for the fire:

The illegal immigrant prison population in California is growing. From 1999-00 to 2002-03, the prison population of illegals in the state, based on inmate days in prison, grew by 31 percent. This increase resulted in a more than half-billion-dollar hit to the state budget in 2002-03.

http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/cap/2003/cap_03-09-25.html

[Pyrodrew]

If you're thinking about being an illegal immigrant to the US, let us know if you try this show out first & what day you will be on...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/13/entertainment/main635771.shtml

(AP) Immigrant rights groups demanded the cancellation of a reality show that offers winners immigration counsel, alleging the show takes advantage of those desperate for a green card and a life in the United States.

The show features immigrants who compete in contests that have included gulping down live tequila worms, fending off vicious attack dogs and jumping between two speeding 18-wheeler trucks.

The groups say Liberman Broadcasting's "Gana la Verde" or "Win the Green," shown on Spanish-language stations in Los Angeles, San Diego, Houston and Dallas, gives a false impression of how the immigration process works and ridicules those seeking legal status in the United States. They said it also makes contestants who are illegal immigrants potential targets for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

"It gives the erroneous message that through tricks one can get a green card, and it puts people in danger of being deported," said Angela Sanbrano, executive director of the Central American Resource Center.

The groups also claimed the show does the "homework" for immigration authorities by providing details about immigrants who may be here illegally.

Representatives of the immigrant advocacy groups said they want to meet with Liberman Broadcasting officials to discuss more realistic portrayals of the immigration system. If the production company doesn't agree to meet with them or pull the show, they will consider a boycott of the program's advertisers, as well as legal action for alleged false advertising and unlawful legal advice, said Victor Nieblas, of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

Lenard Liberman, co-owner of the Burbank-based company, said he would be happy to meet with the groups but is not planning to pull the show.

"We're just trying to help people out here. I don't know what all the controversy's about," he said. "If we gave away breast implants or plastic surgery, no one could care. But try to help Maria go from a nanny to a nurse, and everyone raises an outcry."

Winners earn a year's worth of legal guidance toward a green card for legal residency. The show doesn't actually guarantee winners a U.S. residency card, but the introduction describes the six contestants battling for their final goal of the green card amid ominous images of barbed wire along the border and U.S. patrol helicopters.

Liberman said the contestants are all adults, and that with recent immigration raids, they face the risk of deportation by going to the supermarket.

The show, which has aired more than 20 episodes, is ranked No. 2 among 18- to 49-year-old Hispanic viewers, Liberman said.

"There are already two people who are on their way to getting green cards. There's one person who's four to six months away. We don't have one participant complaint," he said. "If this makes money, it's only going to become more popular."

Those against the program acknowledged that their efforts may simply boost the ratings, as did the controversy surrounding films such as "The Passion" and "Fahrenheit 9-11."

"We have to trust the community not to support this," Sanbrano said.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, as a whole, they subsidize you for the most part, since they get to pay taxes and fees while having limited or no access to most benefits.

16 Billion - 26.3 Billion = -10.3 Billion

[Whoha]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It also means 100% will have to double or triple their food bill. That means they won't be able to buy much else.

Okay, I'm BAMing here. The price of food will definately increase, but probably not anywhere near that much. Let's say it causes food prices to jump 5%-10%, though. That's still a significant impact for most families.

labor is about 10% of the cost of food isn't it?

[Japher]

Math and logic aren't your strong suits, are they? If there's "3 million a year" coming in this year (most are seasonal commuters who cross multiple times), or else Latinamerica would be empty if those were the real numbers), then you have a problem, since the total incarceration in the US, is about 3 million, and plenty of those are white. That includes jails and prisons, and both pre-trial transient detainees who haven't made bail yet and sentenced offenders

Math and Logic are my strong suits. I just love how you make this about Latin America and about non-white ppl... I DO NOT LIVE IN SO. CAL! OUR STUPID ILLEGALS ARE MOSTLY RUSSIANS AND ASIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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