Lets ban circumcision (male too)

[Dr Strangelove]

There is some evidence that circumcision decreases the rate of HIV transmission.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
There is some evidence that circumcision decreases the rate of HIV transmission.

irrelavent. Nobody is proposing that sexually active adults could not elect to get circumcised if they thought that as a result their unprotected sex would get some fractional reduction in the chance they will get aids.

Infants on the other hand don't get aids from sex anyway.

[Ted Striker]

Not really, AIDS is just one thing that was noted. I am willing to be the same rule applies for many other diseases, and not just sexually transmitted ones.

I think alot of religious beliefs are rooted in practical wisdom. For example, viriginity was smart back in day because it prevented the spread of disease, and also pregnancy.

So, they have alot of origins in the practical, not the moral.

[Geronimo]

what are you saying? that even elephants are circumcised?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Geronimo


irrelavent. Nobody is proposing that sexually active adults could not elect to get circumcised if they thought that as a result their unprotected sex would get some fractional reduction in the chance they will get aids.

Infants on the other hand don't get aids from sex anyway.

But they grow to become sexually active teens, who are likely to impulsively engage in sexual activity. If you circumcise them as babies you're giving him at least some protection that will extend into a period of his life when he's capable of being sexually active, but doesn't necessarily have the adult capacity to exercise good judgement. You also have to consider his partners and the general public. Using this simple public health measure could save millions of lives each year. Isn't saving a million lives worth it? Why leave it to chance. Another consideration is that in developing countries it probably is cheaper to circumcise baby boys. All it takes is a little device that looks like a small wine bottle cork popper.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


But they grow to become sexually active teens, who are likely to impulsively engage in sexual activity. If you circumcise them as babies you're giving him at least some protection that will extend into a period of his life when he's capable of being sexually active, but doesn't necessarily have the adult capacity to exercise good judgement. You also have to consider his partners and the general public. Using this simple public health measure could save millions of lives each year. Isn't saving a million lives worth it? Why leave it to chance. Another consideration is that in developing countries it probably is cheaper to circumcise baby boys. All it takes is a little device that looks like a small wine bottle cork popper.

just allow them to get circumcised from about age of puberty on. If they are old enough to engage in sex they are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to have their bodies surgically altered to make them less likely to catch an STD. All the sex I had as an adolescent was protected. In my case I would have been much better off skipping the circumcison because it wouldn't have made the slightest difference in my chances of catching aids. Why apply the same treatment to everybody instead of allowing the patient to make up their own minds? I don't want surgery applied to me because other people are too stupid to apply it to themselves or mold their behavior to fit thier circumstances. their deaths are on their own heads by that age.

furthermore. circumcision does not under even the most generous phantasies provide enough protection from STD to save millions of lives a year. If your partner has aids you are going to catch the aids circumcised or not. This will only come into play for a fraction of unprotected one night stands. Not everybody takes part in unprotected one night stands.

[Ted Striker]

I gotta go with the Doc on this one

Keep in mind, there are more teenage pregnancies in Riverside Country California than in Japan and France combined. There are two other big countries in this figure but I can't remember what they are. I think UK is one.

I don't think we are making the right decisions when it comes to hitting it.

[Gibsie]

I don't buy your "it'll save millions of lives" stuff, Dr. Strangelove. As it is, the majority of American males are circumsized, yet the rates of HIV transmission are appalling in the US comapred to other western countries where the pracrise is not common. In Israel it's the opposite, but that just goes to show that HIV levels probably are not linked so closely to circumcision. There may be some prtoection in it, but I do not think the risk-benefit ratio is as massive as you state.

Plus I do not think giving poorly-trained doctors in third-world states more power to perform essentially un-necessary surgery on children is ever a good thing.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I gotta go with the Doc on this one

Keep in mind, there are more teenage pregnancies in Riverside Country California than in Japan and France combined. There are two other big countries in this figure but I can't remember what they are. I think UK is one.

I don't think we are making the right decisions when it comes to hitting it.

so what? if they are circumcised then the ban on infant circ makes no difference. if they aren't then let them make up their own damn minds. Have you all forgotten what it was like to be that age? it sounds like you only remember what you did and what happened so you can't fathom why the attitude that they are too young to decide whether they need surgical intervention to give them a tiny fraction of (poorly doccumented and understood) protection from STDs is infuriating.

[Ted Striker]

You seem to have some sort of a grudge

Did the doc take off a little extra or something?

The wisdom of the procedure makes sense. And I still trust the opinons of an experienced MD over all the crybaby ranting in this thread any day.

[Whaleboy]

Ted:

[loinburger]

Who gives a damn? Nobody ever *****es about kids getting braces, even though they're rarely medically necessary, but once a wang gets involved everybody gets all teary-eyed about baby mutilation or whatever. Oh, won't somebody please think of the children who have a useless piece of skin cut off of their tallywhackers while they're still too young to even remember the procedure! Cry me a ****ing river.

[Geronimo]

I'd be at least as ticked off if they had say pulled some teeth or if they gave me bonded braces that I could never remove. Hell I'd be ticked off if they had just pierced my ear. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY messing with my healthy body. And when I find that somebody did I'm indignant about it. why is that odd LB?

[Whaleboy]

loinburger:

And a damn appropriate name!

People are insecure about penises. Anal sex, genital piercing, circumcisions, people get all insecure and petty about it cos that's where there own hang-ups lie. Its pathetic.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by loinburger
Who gives a damn? Nobody ever *****es about kids getting braces, even though they're rarely medically necessary, but once a wang gets involved everybody gets all teary-eyed about baby mutilation or whatever. Oh, won't somebody please think of the children who have a useless piece of skin cut off of their tallywhackers while they're still too young to even remember the procedure! Cry me a ****ing river.