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  • #106
    Originally posted by Vince278


    Some colleges over here required the students to actually ask permission before taking each step from kissing to intercourse. I imagine that has been largely ignored (and even spoofed on Saturday Night Live) but if something happens and they didn't follow this then the lack of consent is implied.

    Again this is silly. If a kiss "happens" that both wanted but neither asked for , have they both been assaulted?

    Or are they working on the sexist assumption that only the man can be the more assertive one?

    As I said before, requiring a positive assertion of consent at every step gets even more ludicrous if you factor in a person's right to withdraw consent at any time. If you are not ever allowed to assume initial consent from behavior or lack of negative response, why would you be allowed to assume the consent was continuing?

    Have I been continually raped over the years? No woman has ever asked MY consent
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    • #107
      Sue 'em, Flubber!

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      • #108
        Originally posted by Pyrodrew


        You never know for sure whether you can trust someone, you can only believe you can trust them. Only the other person knows how trustworthy they will be to someone. And someone might be trustworthy today, but years later a relationship could go sour, she could turn bitter/hateful & betray that trust.
        If someone can't hold a civilized relationship with other people, or are too naive or stupid to be able to know character of someone they know deeply, then tough nuts to them.
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        • #109
          Originally posted by General Ludd


          If someone can't hold a civilized relationship with other people, or are too naive or stupid to be able to know character of someone they know deeply, then tough nuts to them.

          How old are you? ahh 20 . .. .. that explains that idealistic and totally naive attitude


          A person can do everything "right", date for 10 years, be married for 10 more and then find out the person they are with is not at all ( or no longer) the person they thought they were.

          And it is "tough nuts" when someone gets shocked by someone they have been with for 20 years and the relationship is in shambles but such people need not be either naive or stupid. Frankly its arrogant for you to say so.

          I love Mrs. Flubber with all my being and I choose to trust and believe in her. But its faith and intellectually I always am aware that she is a totally independent human being and as such is CAPABLE of betrayal. I believe in her but I am not so arrogant to think that I have super powers of perception greater than all those other folks that have been surprised over the years.
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          • #110
            So, according to Corporal Ludd, I'm unable to hold a civilized relationship with anyone, and should never have sex.
            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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              • #112
                Gotta agree with Ludd here. If Kobe weren't so eager to get his freak on with a stranger he wouldn't be in this position. Period.
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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Straybow
                  Gotta agree with Ludd here. If Kobe weren't so eager to get his freak on with a stranger he wouldn't be in this position. Period.
                  Lets get this straight. So anyone engaging in casual sex should expect a rape charge??
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                  • #114
                    Yes, if they are rich.
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                    • #115
                      People shouldn't be convicted for rape for being stupid, gullable, trusting, naive or rich.

                      They should be convicted for rape when they rape.

                      Why the urge to lock up someone innocent?

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by Flubber


                        Lets get this straight. So anyone engaging in casual sex should expect a rape charge??
                        They shouldn't expect it, but they shouldn't get any sympathy if it happens.
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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by General Ludd


                          They shouldn't expect it, but they shouldn't get any sympathy if it happens.

                          I'd give no sympathy if his wife left him and took him to the cleaners OR if all his endorsement contracts dried up.


                          I WOULD be sympathetic to someone that faced a false charge of rape
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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Flubber
                            I WOULD be sympathetic to someone that faced a false charge of rape
                            I was once falsely accused. It happens more often than we think. False accusations make it more difficult for those who truly accuse.
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