Will Miller be thrown out of the demo party?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Let's see, the Dems have:
The Jobs Issue
The Balanced Budget issue
The Environmental Issue
The Social Security Issue
The Healthcare Issue
The Abortion Issue
The Foreign Relation Issues
+ a Silver Star, a Bronze Star + 3 Purple Hearts

The Reps have the:
"We Beat Usaba bin Ladin by Invading Iraq" Issue
Calling Kerry Names Issue
+ Chaney's 5 deferments & Bush hiding from the Viet Cong in the Texas Air Natl Guard & MIA again on 9/11.

Anytime baby.

Jobs Issue-Lost 2million plus jobs due to Clinton recession and attack of 9/11 due to 8 years of letting terrorist solidify their position. Since Bush economic policies have actually come into play the economy has added over 1.5 million jobs and shown the highest growth rate quarter since Reagan. Unemployment is actually slightly lower than when Clinton ran for re-election. This one goes to Bush.

Balanced Budget issue- Usually a republican stronghold, Bush has dropped the ball here. However, budget deficits are typical in times of war...look what FDR spent. Democratic history gives them no leg to stand on here. The truth is that only the Congress can tax and spend. Budget surpluses and budget deficits both occured under Republican Congresses. Neithier candidate can claim superiority here.

Environmental Issue- Both candidates have spoken on pollution. GWB has focused more on wetlands while JFK has focused on coastal waters. JFK keeps promoting the 1070's era EPA Superfund idea which is tired and old. GWB wants to reform regulations. This is not a strong suit for eithier candidate and what they do say is fairly similar. Neithier can claim superiority.

The Social Security issue-Bush has a plann that will allow the system to survive the babyboomers. His plan is endorsed by Greenspan. Kerry has no plan, or rather plans to continue the same system, which nearly every expert expects to fail or raise taxes to unbearable levels. Bush has the clear nod here.

Healthcare issue- Bush's platform calls for medicare reform, health savings accounts, help for the poor, community health centers, and reform of medical liability. Kerry's platform consist of cutting waste in the system, using technology to cut costs, and preventative healthcare. While both candidates propose solid ideas, Bush's clearly will have a more positive impact. Bush gets the nod again.

The abortion issue- The candidates are split as the country is split. Depends on your personal beliefs on who gets the nod. Mine goes to Bush.

The foriegn relations issue- Bush has rallied the world to fight the cause of terrorism. France, Germany, Russia, and nearly all the rest of the world have rallied around his leadership on this issue. Iraq was devisive, but it would be hard to say that Sadaam out of power is a bad thing. Bush has a larger vision of bringing freedom to a part of the world that has only known tyranny. Changing an entire region of the world is bound to cause problems as power and economic arrangements are forced to be reformed. You would expect this from some of the major powers in the world...and we got it. Bush has brokered peace from the brink of war between Pakistan and India, disarmed Iraq, unseated the Taliban, disarmed Libya, and has Iran leaning toward nuclear inspections. Kerry's only solid position is that he would like to get a consensus before we use troops anywhere in an offensive role. I want a President that will act unilaterally if needed. Bush very clearly has the superior position and plan here.

Kerry and Bush both (according to record) served their country honorably in the United States military. Kerry was decorated a hero. He gets the nod on service. But let's be clear...whatever happened on that swiftboat has no bearing on whether or not he will make a good leader...regardless of whose story is true.

So, Zkribbler, let's try really looking at the issues before we start
, because the last will be on Kerry.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I have never been in the demo party

Kpn Millwe

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Jon Miller

I was untill 1998, and then I changed. The party when to liberal for me.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Bush's clearly will have a more positive impact. Bush gets the nod again.

BS. His health savings accounts is a horrible idea, if it isn't backed by the government. The DOL is up to its ears in prosecuting MEWAs (which are what they are refered to now). It'll have an incredibly negative impact... and if the government backs them up, it'll cost a ton.

Oh, and on all the issues, ZKrib is right... Kerry PWNES Bush on them.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

bush always gets someone else to do the nod cuz hes not capable of making decisions himself.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Bush's clearly will have a more positive impact. Bush gets the nod again.

BS. His health savings accounts is a horrible idea, if it isn't backed by the government. The DOL is up to its ears in prosecuting MEWAs (which are what they are refered to now). It'll have an incredibly negative impact... and if the government backs them up, it'll cost a ton.

Oh, and on all the issues, ZKrib is right... Kerry PWNES Bush on them.

Wrong! What is Kerry's Health care plan? The ONLY speechs that he has given are on cutting costs through an increase in technology. Duh! This is happening on its own already. Bush has solid plans to do something other than state "We have the upper hand on health care" There is no substance on Kerry's plan. The current health savings accounts ARE a joke. The ones proposed by Bush have teeth. Read about them before you jump to conclusions. The only thing Kerry PWNS is his own self image. I have yet to see ANY solid proposals from him on ANY of the issues listed. The truth is Kerry pwns propoganda. You are a victum of it. Congratulations on your victumhood and welcome to the Democratic party.

[Straybow]

I think Imran is starting to froth at the mouth. But I want to check and see if he actually read Z's post.

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Let's see, the Dems have:
The Jobs Issue
The Balanced Budget issue
The Environmental Issue
The Social Security Issue
The Healthcare Issue
The Abortion Issue
The Foreign Relation Issues
+ a Silver Star, a Bronze Star + 3 Purple Hearts

•Ah, of course! Only Democrats want to create jobs. Republicans want to re-enslave the blacks instead.
•"Balanced Budget" = "Raise taxes" in Dem-speak.
•Republicans want to poison the air and water. Only Democrats have to breath, eat, etc.
•Social Security is still bankrupt, and always will be. It is a Ponzi scheme that requires ever-increasing "contributions" (Dem-speak for tax).
•Socialized medicine is what the Dems want. Yeah, that's a real winner.
•Abortion: Kill a baby, make your problems go away!
•Kiss up to the French. It's what made America great.

I guess that leaves you with medals.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What is Kerry's Health care plan?

https://www.johnkerry.com

Educate yourself.

The ones proposed by Bush have teeth.

No they don't.

And yes, I did read Z's post. Bush has presided over a net job loss, which didn't even happen to Hoover, advantage Kerry. Bush's deficit spending is a disgrace and he shows nothing to balance the budget, after some exercises in fiscal discipline in the Clinton years, advantage Kerry. Environment issue, come on Bush believes in the environment as far as he can ignore all environmental issues, advantage Kerry. Bush has no real plans for Social Security, which by the way ISN'T bankrupt (do you check any of your claims?), but Kerry is making some noises to keep the SS surpluses self contained to deal with the baby boomers, advantage Kerry. Bush's healthcare plan is a joke of a worst kind with no provisions to extend protection to the 44 million uninsured, Kerry wants to at least use the government to try to get the uninsured some medical insurance, advantage Kerry. Kerry is pro-choice, advantage Kerry. Bush has alienated every single ally we have to some degree or another, advantage Kerry.

It isn't even close, Bush loses on every issue.

[DinoDoc]

Kerry is pro-life, advantage Kerry.
Bull****. At least say you don't care about that issue rather than resorting to making up transparent crap such as this.

[Imran Siddiqui]

n/m

[Drake Tungsten]

since Kerry is pro-life

Kerry supports abortion rights and has said that he would only nominate Supreme Court justices who also support abortion rights. he is against parental notification. Kerry voted against the partial birth ban and was rated a perfect 100 by NARAL in 2002.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/election2004/a/blcandidates.htm

Did Kerry claim to be both pro-choice and pro-life, adding to the long list of issues he's straddling? Or is Imran just making **** up? Hell if I know...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
How am I "making up transparent crap"?

Because the very position is contradicted by the candidates own positions (granted he may have changed them several times since putting them up on the website) and the fact he picked up the endorsement of NARAL (an organization not in the habit of endorsing pro-life candidates). So again cut the bull****.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ooops...I meant pro-choice . Got confused with the terms.

[Drake Tungsten]

Oh, that's alright. Those terms are hard to keep straight, given that abortion has only been a hot-button issue for 30+ years...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Or is Imran just making **** up? Hell if I know...

Stupid seems to be the correct answer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I could have used pro-death and anti-choice, and all the stuff about bringing in the death penalty to determine if a candidate was actually pro-life as well.