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I actually agree with DanS , US forces would not be able to do much better against 40 heavily armed rebels who wired the school to blow.
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I think that's totally unfair. They settled the theater crisis as well as could be expected. They saved half the hostages. It's easy for you to sit in your easychair and criticize tactics you know nothing about.
In the US the rebels wouldn't get the chance to occupy the school in the first place. Maybe once, but not time and time again. You can't really compare 2 seemingly ordinary teenagers to a small army.
In the US they would at least attempt to try to Chechen conflict by political means, something Putin has never bothered with aside of holding forged polls to install puppets.
In the US there wouldn't be state censorship to create a smoke screen of stability in Chechnya. And likewise, they wouldn't try to minimalise the situation by claiming there were 300 hostages while the school has over a 1000 pupils.
And in the US the authorithies wouldn't use a gas that was known to be potentially lethal. And yes, that seems a very fair thing to criticize.
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And in the US the authorithies wouldn't use a gas that was known to be potentially lethal. And yes, that seems a very fair thing to criticize.
How do you know that we weren't the ones to provide Russia with this gas? The Russian doctors seemed unfamiliar with how to handle casualties from it, so... (By the way, that's the only thing I would criticize the Russians for -- not having enough meds on hand after the fact.) I don't know how the US would react, but how could you rule out the possibility that we would use potentially lethal gas?
In the US they would at least attempt to try to Chechen conflict by political means, something Putin has never bothered with aside of holding forged polls to install puppets. In the US there wouldn't be state censorship to create a smoke screen of stability in Chechnya. And likewise, they wouldn't try to minimalise the situation by claiming there were 300 hostages while the school has over a 1000 pupils.
We can't put ourselves in that situation. During and after the Civil War, we acted like rat bastards. But overall, I agree that this is a fair thing to criticize the Russian government on.
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Originally posted by DanS
How do you know that we weren't the ones to provide Russia with this gas? I don't know how the US would react, but how could you rule out the possibility that we would use potentially lethal gas?
Maybe it can't be ruled out. But I'm pretty darn sure you'd set up a commission to find out if this a) was a responsible thing to do and b) to find out how it can be prevented in the future. Even after the third such crisis I'm not expecting any such commission in Russia soon.
We can't put ourselves in that situation. During and after the Civil War, we acted like rat bastards.
This analogy is even worse than your Yukos - US antitrust one...
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Originally posted by GePap
I actually agree with DanS , US forces would not be able to do much better against 40 heavily armed rebels who wired the school to blow.
Not aimed at you or DanS, who both get it... why in the world do you think they choose this method?!? Precisely because it precludes, or at least inhibits, military firepower from being effectively brought to bear. For the good guys, there is no good way out of the situation, and loss of innocent life is practically assured. Basically, a terrible decision either way is forced on the nation's leadership. It's freaking disgusting.
Well, if you don't like the analogies, let's just leave it as "[w]e can't put ourselves in that situation." In the end, I'm not so sure we would handle the theater hostage situation or the school attack any better. It seems that any government would be at a disadvantage -- having to choose which negative consequence to accept.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by DanS
Well, if you don't like the analogies, let's just leave it as "[w]e can't put ourselves in that situation." In the end, I'm not so sure we would handle the theater hostage situation or the school attack any better. It seems that any government would be at a disadvantage -- having to choose which negative consequence to accept.
The crisis on its won might not be dealt with anymore effectively. Whether such crises would keep on occuring and whether the openess of the authorithies would be any better is quite another question.
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Hopefully, we will never know the answers to your question.
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Originally posted by DanS
Hopefully, we will never know the answers to your question.
You will
Russian minister Sergei Ivanov said that Russia will accept any measures that Israeli army will take against terrorists. Previously he only said that actions of Israeli army must be moderate. Also he related to common roots of Israeli and Russian terror.
Has everything come to a close? When I heard last, there were rebels still in the basement, and a group was hold up in a nearby school property building. Have they got them all? What is the captured female saying.
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