Republican National Convention

[Imran Siddiqui]

Was it just me but when talking about Iraq, did Bush dance around the issue that we never found any WMDs there?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Pekka
Do you realize this is the biggest insult Europe has yet to get for maybe decades?

Pansies.

[Pekka]

Would Kerry do a better job, I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe you should remember I already said earlier in this thread that I'm neutral about Bush, little negative about Kerry. As in, I might prefer Bush, but I wouldn't really root for either.

McCain

[Pekka]

DD, you should watch Hooligans and Thugs; Footballs most violent fights. You would realize we are the ones who still have braveheart type of battles in most capitals hundreds of people goign 'WAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!' on both sides and running to each other, just like in braveheart It was a crazy video btw!

[notyoueither]

I think Kerry screwed up big time by swinging at the VP over service. He just opened the door to the Repubs to bring all the SBV schtick into the campaign proper.

Am I wrong?

[Berzerker]

While you think it's 'right on the button' and 'witty', most of us feel like it's them fighting words.

Then better get in the fight because it's a ragin'

[Patroklos]

Just you.

Pecka: I don't want European support if I have to kiss up to get it. Multilateralism does not mean whoring yourself out to make people like you. If Europe doesn't want to get involved the fine. Europe and the UN were wrong not to go, and when this all setteles down in a decade and it becomes obvious it will be remembered that way.

Bush asked nicely, asked bluntly, and then told them to **** off. Just how it should have been. I don't think it is American diplomacy that failed but rather European. Not that we expected anything different from France, Germany was a suprise, but look who is running it right now.

[Pekka]

Berz, then better look at the news. Euros are already in there. You think it's ok to insult like that? Well, yes or no, it still the worst display of diplomacy, proving they can't do it really well.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Am I wrong?

The Reporting for Duty line in Kerry's convention speech already did that.

[Pekka]

"Pecka: I don't want European support if I have to kiss up to get it. Multilateralism does not mean whoring yourself out to make people like you."

This attitude won't get you any friends.

" If Europe doesn't want to get involved the fine."

Europe IS involved. And Europe has also gotten terrorist attacks. It's not US exclusive.

"Bush asked nicely, asked bluntly, and then told them to **** off."

Exactly. This is not good diplomacy.

" I don't think it is American diplomacy that failed but rather European."

There is NO common European policies. You are generalizing. I find it racist.

"Not that we expected anything different from France, Germany was a suprise, but look who is running it right now."

??

[Berzerker]

Am I wrong?

Yes, the Repubs risk angering vets by tearing open wounds from that war. The SBVT are on thin ice, many vets undoubtedly despise Kerry for what he did when he got back but they are inpugning the charachter of a lot of vets by attacking Kerry.

[Berzerker]

Pekka -

Berz, then better look at the news. Euros are already in there. You think it's ok to insult like that? Well, yes or no, it still the worst display of diplomacy, proving they can't do it really well.

Rumsfeld ain't a diplomat, and aside from the Brits, the Euros ain't helping much. You have to look at this from Bush's POV, he's convinced this is a world war and too many people still aren't taking it seriously enough.

[Pekka]

Yeah. A big part of Europe does not see Iraq being part of war on terrorism.

[Berzerker]

Correct, which goes to the heart of defining the enemy. It isn't a group of terrorists, it's the systems that produce terrorists. Granted, the west has done quite alot to produce terrorists with it's foreign policy, but US politicians running for the White House ain't gonna tell us the truth about why we were attacked.

[Pekka]

Berz, well.. I feel this issue shouldn't be argued.. I mean, this is another thread, plus this issue is like the most debated anyway. But yeah, I could agree with your definition more. Hey, you put it better than the president. Maybe you should run.

ANyway, no one should get their panties on a twist, if it was up to me, we would have 500 000 man in there tomorrow. From every country too. US can lead :kiss and make up: