Communists, Don't Fear the Reaper....:D

[aneeshm]

It would hurt the citizens of the state and that city/region employed by that business . It would also hurt the state directly , by getting rid of a great source of revenue and local aid , along with the prosperity ( which helps the state by creating a market for its own goods ).

Is it that your idea of a state is just like a business , only having the authority of a state ? And if so , where would it get the money to run itself ?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Where does the State, then, get it's money?

It prints it.

[Last Conformist]

You're seriously suggesting that the State continuously prints and gives out money without taking in any? Ever heard of the concept of inflation?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

kidicious, i dont understand how you manage to always get everything ass-backwards!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
You're seriously suggesting that the State continuously prints and gives out money without taking in any? Ever heard of the concept of inflation?

Of course it takes it in. People pay for things.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by aneeshm
It would hurt the citizens of the state and that city/region employed by that business . It would also hurt the state directly , by getting rid of a great source of revenue and local aid , along with the prosperity ( which helps the state by creating a market for its own goods ).

Your argument it ending up at the beginning. It's not hurting the people if it's defending itself.

Is it that your idea of a state is just like a business , only having the authority of a state ? And if so , where would it get the money to run itself ?

It's more than just th authority of the state. That's fascism. It's responsibility to the people.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
kidicious, i dont understand how you manage to always get everything ass-backwards!

It's just the perception you get from your relative position.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Of course it takes it in. People pay for things.

My faith in yout sanity is temporarily restored.

One has to wonder, tho, why, then, you did not simply answer the question wherefrom the state gets its money by "it charges for goods people buy from it" rather than with "it prints it".

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Last Conformist


My faith in yout sanity is temporarily restored.

One has to wonder, tho, why, then, you did not simply answer the question wherefrom the state gets its money by "it charges for goods people buy from it" rather than with "it prints it".

My neighbors partied until 4:30 in the am, and I was just about to go back to bed.

[Velociryx]

I'm sorry....I fail to see how asking you to clairfy your position on a thing can possibly include "misrepresenting you." Perhaps you could offer a quote of that dynamic in action?

As to your granting me the boon of three questions...I'm afraid that's not how debate works, and I'm not going to play by those rules.

Since you have no less than two dozen questions already on the table which have gone unanswered anyway, I see no compelling reason to add to that list.

It is increasingly clear that your model is not based on real world assumptions, nor is it anywhere close to complete.

Until one or both of those pre-requisites are met, I cannot see where there's much to debate in any case, at least until the portions that ARE somewhat fleshed out stabalize, and do not change every couple hours.

If there HAS been a perception of misrepresentation in my posts, then quite likely that stems from my not being able to keep up with the shifts in your core arguments (one minute it's this....then it changes, and then sometimes, it changes back, or morphs into something altogether different).

But when you DO have a fleshed out model to discuss, I'll have questions.

-=Vel=-

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Kid calls himself a Communist. None of you other communists have taken any particular steps to distance yourself from him, or to refute his claim.

I do.
Well, I'm a Socialist (and a semi-market one at that), so I probably don't count.

[laurentius]

I second Spiff.

ps. spiff, you in MJCF?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I do.
Well, I'm a Socialist (and a semi-market one at that), so I probably don't count.

Sure you count Spiff.

[Velociryx]

Hiya Spiff (and Laurentius!)

You do...which? Wanna distance yourself from Kid, or refute his claim....or both?

-=Vel=-

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by laurentius
ps. spiff, you in MJCF?

Simply PCF

But I do some things with the young ones occasionaly, given my age