John Kerry the war criminal: Unfit to command, part 2

[Straybow]

MtG, I'm well aware that the lethal blast range of a hand grenade or similar ordinance is only 5 m. It takes 53 ft-lbs of energy to create a disabling wound. It takes how much energy to pierce the skin with a fragmant, maybe a tenth that?

According to what? One individual's claim "seared into his memory?"

I dunno, if some smug high-toned whiner caught a fragment of his own grenade in a training mission you might remember treating the wound.

Surely the medic's memory is at least as good as Kerry's. So are you saying maybe Kerry's so-called "seared" memory might not be so accurate? Oh, wait, we aren't allowed to question a hero.

So how many stitches did he get? Why doesn't he release the record and show us all the fell blow he took for God and Country, Mom and Apple Pie?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
I saw that Malkin woman on Dennis Miller. It appalls me that anyone so obviously stupid should be given TV time.

They apparently let them teach philosophy as well.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I'm curious, how is the UN supposed to react to the US being led by an admitted war criminal?

Every president we've had who has sent troops into action has been a war criminal, possibly excepting Jimmy Carter, and he's open to debate. We have this nasty habit of targetting civilians and civilian systems, which is a war crime. The only difference with Kerry is that he starts in office being a war criminal.

[DinoDoc]

He was ashamed of it before he wasn't if that counts for anything, che.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Agathon
But I'd tape her mouth shut or find some other means to keep her quiet.

If she's talking politcs while you're having sex, you have bigger problems than her political leanings.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
He was ashamed of it before he wasn't if that counts for anything, che.

So our Presidents should be brazen war criminals?

[Straybow]

It has nothing to do with Kerry- again, Ned just ropes in a Kerry reference as if he or his campaign was responsible for what some telejournalist does or thinks.

I know, let's connect Bushbaby with all the outright lies and misinformation put out by the likes of the 'highly reputable' conservative hacks and hackettes such as Coulter and Limbaugh, et al.

Just as with the Republican Presidential scandals, you'd like to have it that only Democrat faeces stinks.

And with regard to his wounds - frankly you're just speculating.

Have you seen his medical records?

No, mb, I haven't seen his medical records, nor have you. Kerry has yet to release them. How many stitches did the wounds take? How many days was the hero out of action? Please do tell. By all accounts the wounds were trivial.

This has everything to do with Kerry. He wants to give a salute, "report for duty," and run on his war record. He's even said that he welcomes inspection. So why are the shills in the various media unwilling to take a closer look when question come up?

[chequita guevara]

Personally, I don't understand why anyone who is disgusted with Kerry's wartime record isn't similarly disgusted with Bush's wartime record. It smacks of hypocricy. The truth is, we have two self-serving, New England, Yale Skull n' Bones, bluebloods who have likely lied about their military service. To be deeply offended by one while calling the other honest and forthright is just wrong. Either be offended by both or by neither.

[chequita guevara]

BTW, why don't you get PHs for friendly fire in combat?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

It rewards self inflicted wounds and fragged officers.

[chequita guevara]

Seems unfair. If you're in combat and you get hurt, you should get a medal regardless of who shot you, unless you wounded yourself on purpose.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I agree to an extent but there are obviously some behaviors the military doesn't want to encourage.

For example, Max Cleland lost his limbs due to a mistake that he tried to remedy. Doesn't mean that his behavior wasn't valorous.

[chequita guevara]

I don't think anyone really wants a purple heart.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Thats kind of the point. There is a contingent that given 3 PH's and your out would want to do so. (Recognize this is not aimed at Kerry but morevoer a faction of folk that might do so.)

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Straybow
MtG, I'm well aware that the lethal blast range of a hand grenade or similar ordinance is only 5 m. It takes 53 ft-lbs of energy to create a disabling wound. It takes how much energy to pierce the skin with a fragmant, maybe a tenth that?

If you assume that the grenade was fired only the minimum of 18 meters, the blast effect is only about 1/15 at 18 meters than it is at five. There's not much material to create fragments in any event, and the casing/explosive is not designed as a fragmentation device.

According to what? One individual's claim "seared into his memory?"

I dunno, if some smug high-toned whiner caught a fragment of his own grenade in a training mission you might remember treating the wound.

35 years later, with precision as to the dimensions of the fragment? Or maybe you treated some chicken**** radioman 2, then later heard later about Kerry and VVAW, then got together with your buddies and talked about that ******* who "betrayed" you all, then you remembered that chicken**** you treated, except now it's become Kerry. Psych studies have documented that sort of memory process for several decades now. It's how human memory works.

Oh, and since when do "training missions" qualify one for the PH? Oh yeah, I forget, Kerry is supposedly the only O2 in history to recommend himself for decorations and then endorse and approve those recommendations. Or his CO must have been so negligent as to not even know that Kerry was on a training mission. Or they were just being nice, because they knew this was a chicken**** officer they wanted to be rid off ASAP, so chicken**** that they assigned two boats to him, rather than put him in some administrative billet or simply transferring him.

So what you get is different stories, decades after the fact, about what they "think" caused the wound, combined with an extremely low probability event for the wound to be caused that way.

People can question Kerry all they want, this just doesn't amount to much of anything.

Surely the medic's memory is at least as good as Kerry's. So are you saying maybe Kerry's so-called "seared" memory might not be so accurate? Oh, wait, we aren't allowed to question a hero.

It depends on the magnitude of the events and the time. When did Kerry make his "seared into my memory" statement? When did the medic make his? Was the identity and nature of wounds of Kerry so significant in this medic's memory as the position of Kerry's boat in his?

Maybe they're both telling the truth, maybe they're both lying, maybe they both believe they're telling the truth but recall (edit - in)accurately. But the presumption and the claim here (by the SB vets and their supporters) is that they have a universal monopoly on the truth, and Kerry is lying pretty much across the board, and anyone who agrees with Kerry is either lying for political reasons or has been persuaded by Kerry to remember things his way.

So how many stitches did he get? Why doesn't he release the record and show us all the fell blow he took for God and Country, Mom and Apple Pie?

Why doesn't he just switch the entire campaign to praising George W. Bush and answering any allegations the SB vets make? Why don't the SB vets come up with something more substantial than their collective memories and excuses for why others who were there dispute their versions?