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  • #46
    Originally posted by problem_child


    Actually loads of people tried to vote for someone else, but some swift and thuruough ballot tampering and the criminalization and right-to-vote-denial of vast numbers of black Floridans who (technically) had never been convicted of anything in their life was enough to save the day, and ensure that Democracy served its purpose once more.



    I just love victims of propoganda.

    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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    • #47
      Yeah! Victims of Propaganda!
      Freedom Doesn't March.

      -I.

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      • #48
        Exactly what alot of people want to know. Somehow the yanks manage to have Vital National Interests all over the place, usually near valuable natural resources, or places where 3rd World peasants might get ideas about socialist policies or nationalist economics or descent taxes on corporations and so on.


        Uh, yeah, duh.

        You're not gonna have vital national interests in a barren desert devoid of anything useful, in which you have no ideological enemies.

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        • #49
          Djibouti?

          Anyway, how come anything valuable or useful in the world with only 3rd Worlders calling the place home tends to end up with a wopping great big American Military Base nearby sooner or later?

          Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America?

          If it's not a military base, it's 'military aid' or some puppet regime that has it's Torture Police trained and instructed in an American military college in Virginia somehwere.

          Failing all that, it'll be American backed Freedom Fighters.

          The resources of the whole planet are in America's Interests, and of Interest to America. That's why the yank military think-tanks invented the concept of Full Spectrum Dominance (aka, Nose in Everybodies Business Doctrine)
          Last edited by problem_child; August 15, 2004, 13:14.
          Freedom Doesn't March.

          -I.

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          • #50
            Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America?


            It's because valuable resources are in America's national interests! Duh!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by problem_child
              Djibouti?

              Anyway, how come anything valuable or useful in the world with only 3rd Worlders calling the place home tends to end up with a wopping great big American Military Base nearby sooner or later?

              Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America?

              If it's not a military base, it's 'military aid' or some puppet regime that has it's Torture Police trained and instructed in an American military college in Virginia somehwere.

              Failing all that, it'll be American backed Freedom Fighters.

              The resources of the whole planet are in America's Interests, and of Interest to America. That's why the yank military think-tanks invented the concept of Full Spectrum Dominance (aka, Nose in Everybodies Business Doctrine)
              Every major world power in history has acted the same way. It is only natural for a dominant economic power to reach out and protect or control the resources that its dominance relies on. The US is better than most in the fact that usually billions in other type of aid befalls these countries.

              The benefit of this does not just fall to the US however. The US Navy protecting sea lanes also helps assure your way of life for example.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #52
                Tell 'em Plato
                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                • #53
                  I find it hard to pay serious attention to the arguments of someone who is surprised that valuable resources and/or ideological opposition are within a world power's national interest...

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                  • #54
                    The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.
                    Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers; arise ye prisoners of want
                    The reason for revolt now thunders; and at last ends the age of "can't"
                    Away with all your superstitions -servile masses, arise, arise!
                    We'll change forthwith the old conditions And spurn the dust to win the prize

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                    • #55
                      However the rest of the world will b1tch and moan when they US doesn't take action to protect THEIR interests.

                      Talk about hypocricy.
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
                        The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.
                        It is possible for the US government having dual interests, you know. Are you criticising us for putting our own citizens interest first? No elected government would long last if it didn't. Once our interest are served, the US has a stronger record than anybody in history in supporting self determination for other people. Would you dispute that? I would be very interested in you showing me any country that has ever done more to support freedom. Hypocrisy? Ha! People are just pissed because we are very good at looking out for our national interest.
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #57
                          plato, i think canadians have done more to support freedom. for every step in the right direction the US takes, it also takes steps backward
                          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                          • #58
                            MRT but we take those steps before they do.

                            They can wait and see if it works out or not. If it does they will follow our lead, if it doesn't they will refrain.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by MRT144
                              plato, i think canadians have done more to support freedom. for every step in the right direction the US takes, it also takes steps backward
                              There is no doubt that Canda is a supporter of democratization around the world. CIDA (Canadian International Development Agency) does a good job of implementing the principles of USAID.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
                                The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.
                                You talk as if The US has a monopoly on hypocracy. But I'm sure in your little world it does...
                                Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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