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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
    This was a crime against humanity. Specifically, that 14 year old girl.

    A crime against humanity is an act of persecution against a group, so heinous as to warrant punishment under international law. The term was first used in the preamble of the Hague Convention of 1907, and subsequently used during the Nuremberg trials as a charge for actions such as the Holocaust which did not violate a specific treaty but were deemed to require punishment.

    The term has been criticized for being extremely vague and for being politically defined. For example, Nazi attempts to eliminate certain ethnic groups were treated as crimes against humanity, yet Soviet attempts to eliminate certain economic groups were not.

    In its Article 7, the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court in 2003 says:

    For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack: (a) Murder; (b) Extermination; (c) Enslavement; ... [1]


    This doesn't meet the test of a crime against humanity.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      The death penalty is only justified for crimes against humanity.
      How many girls would he have to rape and kill to satisfy your criteria?
      Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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      • #33
        Many more.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by St Leo
          Originally posted by PLATO
          Why should the state pay to support his miserable life for the next however many years? The guy raped and killed a 14 year old. What right to life does he after that? What reason should the people of India pay their tax dollars to feed and cloth him? Do you want the message "Rape and kill and get free room and board for life!" or "Rape and kill and you will die." ??


          If you introduce a death penalty for rape, then you are encouraging rapists to murder their victims so as to avoid conviction and get away scot free.

          If you introduce a death penalty for murder, then you are encouraging murderes to murder all possible witnesses and kill any cops that come after them so that they may get way scot free.

          Cornered animals bite back.
          So we should make it as easy as possible so they don't kill too many people?
          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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          • #35
            Perhaps he should just have been allowed a few hours with the girl's family...who would have various instruments of torture at hand, just i case they wished to use them.
            Now theres an idea… Freedom and consequences


            That logic extends to ANY punishment. The criminal is always encouraged to do anything possible to cover up the crime, unless doing that would make him guilty of a crime with a punishment greater enough to counter the lesser chance of being found out.
            No, someone who bops someone on the nose is likely to face less punishment than shooting someone in the head, and so in the latter case there is even less incentive to be caugh, to a sufficient degree perhaps to warrant an attempt to NOT be caught, whereas in the former case that would be disproportionate.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
              Many more.
              How many che. lets put a number so we can be clear here
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #37
                For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack: (a) Murder; (b) Extermination; (c) Enslavement; ... [1]
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack: (a) Murder; (b) Extermination; (c) Enslavement; ... [1]
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                  Stop relying on definitions. Tell us how many before your blood is worked up enough to kill
                  Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                    That logic extends to ANY punishment. The criminal is always encouraged to do anything possible to cover up the crime, unless doing that would make him guilty of a crime with a punishment greater enough to counter the lesser chance of being found out.


                    Unless one is of the rare opinion that capital punishment should be abolished because it is wimpier and less severe than prolonged imprisonment, one tends to think of death penalty as a great motivation/deterrant/stimulus.

                    Death penalty is very dramatic. There is something passionate about it. The human mind can grasp death, but it cannot grasp forty years in prison.

                    Would you kill to avoid death? Would you kill to avoid detention? Hmm.
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                    • #40
                      The only reason not to kill to avoid detention would be that such a killing would result in such a worse punishment that it wasn't worth the extra chance of avoiding punishment.

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                      • #41
                        Just saying the guy was convicted of rape and murder isn't enough for me. I need to know more to decide if he should get the death penalty. Generally, I'm with Che on this. The death penalty should only be given to serial killers and such. I like the idea of the criminal making sincere apology to the family and victims. When you kill the criminal you eliminate that posibility. Then there is the case were innocent people are executed too.
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                        • #42
                          Maybe someone should invent a virtual reality thing whereby he is subjected to the same crime he committed, but is allowed to survive?
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                          • #43
                            I honestly don't see how the DP, as a punishment, is different from imprisonment except in terms of severity.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                              I honestly don't see how the DP, as a punishment, is different from imprisonment except in terms of severity.
                              Have you ever considered the possibility of being falsely accused and convicted of a crime? Maybe if you did you would appreciate having the opportunity to still prove your innocence after the trial.
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Albert Speer
                                The US and Japan have the death penalty and look where we're at. Stay on the winning team, India!
                                So does the PRC.

                                What a team!
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