Ahh, Women...

[Pekka]

And don't you think it's way more romantic and powerful if you don't waste the words around like that? This is a quick fact, I've never said those words in my life to a girl. But if I was to say, I would damn well mean it too. That would be so powerful, that even my might penis would stand second to it. I'd rather do that. It's a might thing, why would you not have respect for it and waste it like it's ice cream?

[Pekka]

Snowflake, Oh, so you just don't feel like you need to explain any of that? you see now, you see!!111

I'm not an angry man. Don't play chewbacca defense on me. Don't work.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
Slow to understand.. like I said, I already see where it was going to.. she wanted to argue. What ever the issue, just that itself, or because she wanted me to argue something so it would end up me saying I'm sorry and that I sure love her very much, if that was the original agenda. But you see, there are times when you just don't feel like arguing! If she wants to hear me saying that I still care for her, then she should ask if I care for her. And that's OK, unless you do it every day, and it's ok if it's withjout strings attached.

Exactly very slow, still. I need to go slower with you in this case. It means nothing if you SAY you care for her. (Leave alone the fact if she asked you that you'd be even more annoyed and think "how stupid she is. I loved you yesterday right? Why wouldn't I love you today?") But the point is, if you do care about what she thinks and beliefs, you'd actually want to know what she thinks and why she thinks so. And you'd respect her enough to tell her if you agree with her or not. And if not you'd lay out your reasons why. If you've been doing this she would know you cared for her for who she is not for how she looked. And she didn't even need you to SAY that you care for her. Because she would KNOW. But obviously you haven't been doing that, because you just told us that.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
And don't you think it's way more romantic and powerful if you don't waste the words around like that? This is a quick fact, I've never said those words in my life to a girl. But if I was to say, I would damn well mean it too. That would be so powerful, that even my might penis would stand second to it. I'd rather do that. It's a might thing, why would you not have respect for it and waste it like it's ice cream?

Yes it is way more romantic and powerful if you savor those words for yourself pekka. That's a good strategy too. Know that you could use that weapon, but are not using it merely because of your mercy. Wouldn't that make you feel very manly? I highly recommend it.

[Pekka]

No. I would be interested to hear what she wants to say, but not in a form of fight. That, I do not care if the issue isn't something important. If it's something else, we should talk about it and I'll listen. I guess staring a fight with hidden agendas, going like this, taking enery drain for both of us when she just can't come up straight with it is a part of the weird tree thing.

CHOP DOWN THE TREE!

Somehow it is now my fault then? What about the fact that she wanted to argue, when I didn't? Hey, it's not cool to start arguing about everything, just because you want to talk about something else. It's like saying 'well you take the stabbing in your stomach to show you care for me'. OK, I guess I don't care that much . It's the endless testing zone I talked about earlier. The sadistic girl nature, wanting to shake it up only to see if it stands, and it would, but she keeps on testing and testing. And every man has a braking point.

And aboslutely I don't care for a girl who starts an argument that early about a thing like that. Because it means, that those kind of arguments will be weekly for years to come. No thanks.

[Pekka]

No, it is because I don't believe love exists. I believe there are crushes though. Then there are crushes that lasts long. But no real love exists.

[:) Smiley]

ACSR= Radio Poly.

Pekka, your pre-emptive strategy ain't workin, this is turning into argument of length and magnitude rarely seen outside of politics.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
Snowflake, Oh, so you just don't feel like you need to explain any of that? you see now, you see!!111

Sorry for being a woman, which part do you need me to explain?

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Smiley
ACSR= Radio Poly.

Pekka, your pre-emptive strategy ain't workin, this is turning into argument of length and magnitude rarely seen outside of politics.

Face the female supercitizen.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
No, it is because I don't believe love exists. I believe there are crushes though. Then there are crushes that lasts long. But no real love exists.

What is your definition of love and crush?

[Pekka]

Basically you are countering my arguments with 'women are more complex than that, they are more emotional where as men are simple'.

But you can't explain that complexity then? Uh oh... right.

Like said, you expect me to go over to my knees every other second to show my love for the girl, because she demands it. It's not a show of love, it's an ultimatum. LIke said, it's bad if you don't go and explain her that yeah you still care for her. It's like saying psychos are cool because they're just like that and for psychos it's normal to kill people. Yeah they're like that but it's still not OK.

[Pekka]

Smiley, right, but I'm not using the pre-emtpive strike here. Because I'm in a debate I want to do. This is not hte same thing as 'I love you'-ultimatum.

[Pekka]

crush is when you like someone and care for thje person. Long crush is when you want to spend a lot of time with that person, maybe your whole life even. You want to share.

Love is when you don't give her phonenumber to a torturer who tortures you for the rest of your life, and they have good doctors to keep you alive. You don't even give the first digit. That's when you're in love.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
Basically you are countering my arguments with 'women are more complex than that, they are more emotional where as men are simple'.

But you can't explain that complexity then? Uh oh... right.

No no. Don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say men are simple? All human are complex. But you have to accept the fact that they are complex, and then try to comprehend them. Not complain and then trash them.

Like said, you expect me to go over to my knees every other second to show my love for the girl, because she demands it. It's not a show of love, it's an ultimatum. LIke said, it's bad if you don't go and explain her that yeah you still care for her. It's like saying psychos are cool because they're just like that and for psychos it's normal to kill people. Yeah they're like that but it's still not OK.

I'll give you this is a pretty good argument.

Yes it might actually be right that for psychos it's normal to kill people. They are uncool because well all you get from them are suffering. Whereas in the women's case, you get kicks, and thrills, and suspenses, and all the other nice things if you manage not to be killed.

But back on the topic. I do not expect you to go over to your knees every day. I just wanted to show you how you could read a girl. When you read her well you won't need to go over to your knees. If you don't read her well, well you won't fare well even if you truely love her, I mean, even if you truely have a crash on her.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
crush is when you like someone and care for thje person. Long crush is when you want to spend a lot of time with that person, maybe your whole life even. You want to share.

Love is when you don't give her phonenumber to a torturer who tortures you for the rest of your life, and they have good doctors to keep you alive. You don't even give the first digit. That's when you're in love.

You have a pretty tough definition for love. There isn't a lot of time one would face the test you mentioned. You know it is very likely that one behaves differently than he imagined when he/she is really put into the situation.

I would say it is love if you are willingly spending your whole life with somebody. I would also call it love when the feeling is alive in your heart, no matter what happened, no matter what he/she did that you believe would have destroyed the love, but afterwards you found that it is still alive in your heart. I say it is love.