Missouri anti-gay marriage const. amendment headed for victory

[Odin]

Is it just me or have PA and BK the Reactionary laughing stock of 'Poly? Sorry, but your guy's social conservatism is dying, and their nothing you can do about it.

[MrFun]

Well, there is something that they can do . . . .

they can cave in and join our party.

[MalevolentLight]

I happen to be an atheist and I am 100% against gay marriage. It's not about equal rights it's about preserving the tradition and morality of our country. Marriage is defined as the union between a man and a women. If this definition is changed what is to stop people from marrying their dog? There's a reason the overwhelming majority of the country is opposed to gay marriage. I am 100% atheist and I bear no love for christianity, but I firmly believe it is in the best interest of this country that it remain a christian dominated state and that the morality of Christianity be upheld. If you don't like it then you should move to france, I'm sure they'd love you there. The secularists and the ACLU aren't fighting for the people they are fighting for their own selfish agendas. If you were really representing the people you would be bending to the will of the people which is obviously against gay marriage no matter what political ideology. Only in the most liberal of places will gay marriage be allowed.

[Kuciwalker]

[St Leo]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
I happen to be an atheist and I am 100% against gay marriage. It's not about equal rights it's about preserving the tradition and morality of our country.

Why do you think that morality is atomic?

Marriage is defined as the union between a man and a women[sic?].

Not by me.

If this definition is changed what is to stop people from marrying their dog?

The correct definition would be just as effective at preventing that as your current definition.

There's a reason the overwhelming majority of the country is opposed to gay marriage.

Sturgeon's Law?

I am 100% atheist and I bear no love for christianity, but I firmly believe it is in the best interest of this country that it remain a christian dominated state and that the morality of Christianity be upheld.

Why?

If you don't like it then you should move to france, I'm sure they'd love you there.

I think you mean Netherlands or Canada. France is quite conservative. They are just intelligent about their conservatism.

The secularists and the ACLU aren't fighting for the people they are fighting for their own selfish agendas.

What's our selfish agenda again?

If you were really representing the people you would be bending to the will of the people which is obviously against gay marriage no matter what political ideology.

Hmmph. Around 65% of Canadians are pro-gay marraige.

Only in the most liberal of places will gay marriage be allowed.

Generally, a good idea always starts out on the radical side of the spectrum, slowly becomes liberal, eventually becomes entrenched enough to be embraced by the conservatives, and is finally adopted as yet another immutable pillar by the reactionaries.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
If this definition is changed what is to stop people from marrying their dog?

Gay men and women are humans, not animals.





ya dumbass bigot

[Ramo]

I happen to be an atheist and I am 100% against gay marriage.

Yes, unfortunately atheism and bigotry against gays aren't mutually exclusive.

[Kuciwalker]

My thoughts exactly.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Is it just me or have PA and BK the Reactionary laughing stock of 'Poly?

This statement coming from you, Odin, is amusing, because you are the Radical laughing stock of 'Poly.

[Whaleboy]

Marriage is defined as the union between a man and a women. If this definition is changed what is to stop people from marrying their dog?

Do you not think there is a definite logical barrier between marriage between two consenting individuals (i.e. human adults) and what your strawman suggests? If marriage does not require mutual consent then you will have a situation where people may marry animals or children, but stipulating that mutual consent is required does not limit marriage to man and woman.

There's a reason the overwhelming majority of the country is opposed to gay marriage.

Which country? Here in the UK it's pretty much split down the middle, with more people supporting gay marriage as time goes on. A greater number of people don't even care! Nonetheless, popular opinion is no basis for deciding whether or not something should be done, especially concerning the rights of a minority.

I firmly believe it is in the best interest of this country that it remain a christian dominated state and that the morality of Christianity be upheld.

Why? You fail to explain what that "morality" is, why it should be objective to everyone elses morality. You sound to me like you're accepting the term on face value without examining what you are actually saying. And why Christian? What is there about Christianity that means the state should be run on those lines? The ten-commandments as a recommendation perhaps (laws that are consistent with that are futhermore consistent unto themselves so the bible needn't be used in statute). How about the whimsical declarations and rules in Leviticus - woefully inconsistent unless you lived in Judea 2200 years ago?

If you were really representing the people you would be bending to the will of the people which is obviously against gay marriage no matter what political ideology

Tyranny by majority, the worst form of the democracy fallacy in my opinion.

Generally, a good idea always starts out on the radical side of the spectrum, slowly becomes liberal, eventually becomes entrenched enough to be embraced by the conservatives, and is finally adopted as yet another immutable pillar by the reactionaries.

Yes, unfortunately atheism and bigotry against gays aren't mutually exclusive.

So it seems. It seems that idiocy and bigotry extends over many of the opinionated and the reactionaries.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
It's not about equal rights it's about preserving the tradition and morality of our country.

Marriage is defined as the union between a man and a women.

I am 100% atheist and I bear no love for christianity, but I firmly believe it is in the best interest of this country that it remain a christian dominated state and that the morality of Christianity be upheld.


The secularists and the ACLU aren't fighting for the people they are fighting for their own selfish agendas.

This is not that convincing a troll, especially in the light of the Commie Springsteen one.

I mean, 'Commie' and 'Springsteen' go together like, oh, 'Satanist paedophile' and 'Pope John Paul II'.

What the hell does marriage have to do with morality?

What a bizarre notion. Tell all the Americans who in the 19th Century married European aristos for their titles it was immoral- I'm sure the Vanderbilts will give you a stale crust to gnaw on while you bore them.


Now which tradition are you referring to?

The one about the separation of church and state?

The breaking of treaties with the Indians?
Give us a clue why don't'cha.

As for marriage being defined as being between a man and a woman- nah. Polygamous societies abound, as do polyandrous ones so scratch that. Venice gets married to the Adriatic and nuns marry god.

Now we get to the really unconvincing bit- if you're an atheist, why do you give a flying monkey's anal gland about 'Christian' morality? And if you are really an atheist, you are a secularist.

Now see if you can do a proper Archie Bunker impersonation. This one's broken.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Is it just me or have PA and BK the Reactionary laughing stock of 'Poly?

This statement coming from you, Odin, is amusing, because you are the Radical laughing stock of 'Poly.

Isn't that Che?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Isn't that Che?

No... we consider Che to be somewhat intelligent .

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Isn't that Che?

No... we consider Che to be somewhat intelligent .

Ladies, play nice.

[Ming]

Yes... play nice... any more "cheap shots" at other members will make life "difficult" on you

Enough with the bigoted crap ( I deleted a bunch earlier), and enough with attacking people. Either discuss it in a civil way, or don't bother to post.