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    Bush leading 50 to 47 among likely voters in new GALLUPUSATODAYCNN poll
    CNN -- Late Edition Primetime
    Sun Aug 01 2004

    WOLF: we're also getting new information, the first new poll numbers since the democratic convention. they're coming in right now and they're showing an apparent difference between registered voters and likely voters. here to explain exactly what's going on our senior political analyst bill schneider. bill, this is the latest cnn/""usa today""/gallup poll. these are numbers that were completely taken, this poll since john kerry's acceptance speech. i want to show our viewers what the numbers show so far. among registered voters, this is important, registered voters, john kerry is now at 50% compared to george w. bush at 47%. you see what it was before the convention, 49/45 in favor of kerry. among likely voters, though, take a look at this. a difference, likely voters, 50% for bush, 47% for kerry. a reversal, the margin of error, though, 3% in this poll you see. well, first of all, explain the difference between registered and likely voters.

    SCHNEIDER: wolf, about three-quarters of americans are registered to vote but in the presidential election typically only about half or a little bit over half will turn out to vote. so what the gallup poll does is screen people according to their interests, their intention to vote, their enthusiasm and screen out the 50% who in the typical presidential election are likely to vote. so, if this election is a typical presidential election, the likely voters show a slight lead for bush but if turnout is higher than that, and we get more registered voters actually voting that should help kerry.

    WOLF: what do these numbers say about the so-called bounce out of this democratic convention?

    SCHNEIDER: no bounce and that's striking. they show there might have been a very brief bounce, not a bounce but a blip i'd call it among people interviewed on friday after the convention kerry was ahead by five points. we continued to interview on saturday and those people -- bush moved into a slight lead of two points. we will continue to interview people but this looks like the shortest bounce on record.

    WOLF: is that because the country basically had already made up their mind? there wasn't a whole lot of room for undecides? that's what the democrats keep saying.

    SCHNEIDER: looks like they had a point. what we're see showing is before the convention the democrats were hugely enthusiastic about voting. over three-quarters said they were more enthusiastic than usual. after the convention the number of democrats who said they were enthusiastic went up only slightly. they already had their bounce but what really changed is that the republicans, the bush voters went way up in enthusiasm gaining eight points so it looks like, yes, the convention rallied voters but it rallied republicans more than democrats. the only good news for democrat, democrats are still more enthusiastic about voting than republicans are.

    WOLF: we'll get more on these numbers throughout ""late edition."" thanks for that.
    Well, before the convention Kerry was actually leading among likely voters, and now afterwards Bush leads. So instead of a bunch, it was more of digging a hole and jumping face first into it. Looks like the effect of spending athat money, over $30 mil, and brining all those people from the left wing of the Democratic party like Dean, Kennedy, Sharpton, etc. was to mobilize Republican Enthusiams about voting against the Democrats.

    Excellent job. These Dems turn failure into an art form.
    Last edited by Shi Huangdi; August 1, 2004, 14:22.
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    Re: And Kerry's bounce out of the convention is........

    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
    Well, before the convention Kerry was actually leading among registered voters, and now afterwards Bush leads.
    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
    among registered voters, this is important, registered voters, john kerry is now at 50% compared to george w. bush at 47%
    Which is it?

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    • #3
      well according to polls Dean was gonna be the Democratic primary winner...

      so if you want to take this to the bank, be my guest.

      btw, why'd you create a thread for this, you should have just posted in the Democratic convention thread.
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      • #4
        Polls predicted Dean's freefall Sava.
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          How uninteresting. I await the debates, cause Bush can no longer count of low expectations.
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          • #6
            That goes to Kerry. I'll grant that considering his lack of a real personality and all.
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            • #7
              I wonder if the coverage of the Republican convetion will be as craptacular as the coverage of this one? Probably not, since the protests outside that one will be much more significant and widespread..but the floor coverage should be as weak.

              Interstingly, yesterday I saw a bit of the only trully fair and balanced show on Fox, which is Media notes, or whatever- the one that covers the media itself, with Cal Thomas in it. They did a nice job on the ****ty convention coverage, and even cal Thomas said that if the press wants to be seen as fair and balanced, their coverage of the republican one should be equally craptacular.
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              • #8
                Which is it?'
                Kerry is leading among registered voters, as you pointed out. Bush's lead is among likely voters.

                well according to polls Dean was gonna be the Democratic primary winner...
                I am not saying that Kerry is doomed to lose. Polls are merely a snapshot of what the electorate thinks at a given time. At a time, Dean did lean at the primary, though the polls later registered Dean dropping in Iowa as it got closer to primary day. What this shows is that is this time, Bush leads among likely voters, and that this convention seems to have actually hurt the Democrats.

                btw, why'd you create a thread for this, you should have just posted in the Democratic convention thread.
                That thread had drifted, and besides that thread was reaching the 500 post limit.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  That goes to Kerry. I'll grant that considering his lack of a real personality and all.
                  You regularly innane comments are even less interesting, as they have entered the realm of cliche and have 0 novelty value. How sad.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                    Kerry is leading among registered voters, as you pointed out. Bush's lead is among likely voters.
                    Maybe you should edit your post then, for the sake of consistency.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GePap
                      You regularly innane comments are even less interesting, as they have entered the realm of cliche and have 0 novelty value. How sad.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GePap


                        You regularly innane comments are even less interesting, as they have entered the realm of cliche and have 0 novelty value. How sad.
                        When half a post consists of smilies, I don't feel the need to expend much effort to get my point across.
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                        • #13

                          Probably not, since the protests outside that one will be much more significant and widespread..
                          Ya know, from what I hear those protest at the GOP convention will be one of the biggest ever, meaning it will attract all the most extreme of the nutjob community. Hopefully they will do their most outrageous things, and that will be so outageous that they will get media attention, and end up with media portraying the extremists as typical of the protestors. Then that should get the average person disgusted with the protestors, leading to even more of a bounce for George W. Bush.
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                          • #14
                            GePap: How can you really expect the media to pay much attention to the floor of the convention (pick one) when newsworthy happenings have long ago been banished?
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                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              I expected a large bump. You know, like normal. But no bump at all? That spells trouble for the Democratic ticket.
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