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  • #16
    Well the only thing I got out of the Democratic Convention was finding out that Teresa Heinz was an "anti- gay raccoon b1tch". Never expected that.


    That and the whole Kerry-French connection. Hadn't realized Teresa was practally French and Kerry had a cousin who's a French Mayor. Its like Bush versus France for the Presidential election. Pretty much like the last four years only in electible format.

    /me sits back to see if his mrmitchell bait catches anything.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GhengisFarb
      Well the only thing I got out of the Democratic Convention was finding out that Teresa Heinz was an "anti- gay raccoon b1tch". Never expected that.


      That and the whole Kerry-French connection. Hadn't realized Teresa was practally French and Kerry had a cousin who's a French Mayor. Its like Bush versus France for the Presidential election. Pretty much like the last four years only in electible format.

      * GhengisFarb sits back to see if his mrmitchell bait catches anything.
      I missed this...links?
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      • #18
        Excellent job. These Dems turn failure into an art form.
        Then you can vote between failure and stupidity

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        • #19
          Re: And Kerry's bounce out of the convention is........

          Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


          Well, before the convention Kerry was actually leading among likely voters, and now afterwards Bush leads. So instead of a bunch, it was more of digging a hole and jumping face first into it. Looks like the effect of spending athat money, over $30 mil, and brining all those people from the left wing of the Democratic party like Dean, Kennedy, Sharpton, etc. was to mobilize Republican Enthusiams about voting against the Democrats.

          Excellent job. These Dems turn failure into an art form.
          It's a clear sign of desperation to be tooting your horn over a change in poll results three months before the election when those poll results are fully within the margin of error of the previous poll. Keep saying it long enough, you might actually believe it.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Atahualpa


            Then you can vote between failure and stupidity
            Isn't that what America's all about?

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            • #21
              Zogby has Kerry up by 5, Newsweek has Kerry up by 8, and Rasmussen has Kerry up by 4 (and the only other time Rasmussen had more than a 3-point spread was for a single day after they announced Edwards as the VP nominee). Furthermore, if you look at Newsweek's single day poll for Friday (the day after Kerry's speech), Kerry was up 13.

              Much of the effects of the convention haven't been felt yet. Evening news and the like will cover it for another week, and then the people will be fully inundated by the speeches.
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              • #22
                If Democrats can get people to watch the debates and if they can force debates where Bush has to give more then scripted anwsers then I suspect Kerry will come off better. Bush isn't exactly known for his improptu speaking abilities.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #23
                  Zogby has an interesting analysis of the situation:

                  The most recent Zogby poll shows deeper trouble for President George W. Bush beyond just the horserace. Mr. Bush has fallen in key areas while Senator John Kerry has shored up numerous constituencies in his base. The Bush team’s attempted outreach to base Democratic and swing constituency has shown to be a failure thus far, limiting his potential growth in the electorate.

                  The most important group in this election now is the undecideds and Mr. Bush’s standing among them is weak. He is generally well liked among the undecideds, having a strong favorability (56%), but his job performance is another story. Only 32% approve of Bush’s job in office and only 31% believe the country is headed in the right direction. The undecideds are not yet sold on Mr. Kerry, with only 49% having a favorable opinion of him. But Mr. Kerry can still sell his message to them: over a quarter (28%) are either not familiar enough or are not sure of their opinion yet. These undecided voters are generally dissatisfied with the President, but are still not acquainted enough with the Senator from Massachusetts to support him.

                  The Bush campaign’s efforts to court voters in the Hispanic, Jewish, and Catholic communities seem to have fallen flat. Mr. Kerry is leading Mr. Bush by a similar margin to that which former Vice-President Al Gore won among Jewish voters in 2000. Mr. Bush is also running far behind his 2000 Hispanic total, with only 19% of the Hispanic voters supporting him, while Mr. Kerry is beating Mr. Gore’s total with 69%. Mr. Kerry is also running very strong among Catholics, topping Mr. Bush, 52% to 37%, showing that not only has Bush’s courting of them failed, but his use of wedge issues like gay marriage and partial birth abortion have failed to separate Catholic voters from Kerry.

                  The Senator’s lead among Catholics is similar to the Clinton margins of the 1990s.

                  Mr. Bush has also shown weakness in what is considered to be his best region, the South. While Kerry’s choice of Senator John Edwards gives him his biggest boost, his economic populism and courting of veterans are also key in his eroding of Mr. Bush’s support. Not only has Kerry now come to a tie with Bush in favorability in the South (55% for both), the Kerry-Edwards ticket has pulled ahead, 48% to 46% in the South. President Bush’s job performance is down to only 44% in the South, and only 43% of Southerners think the country is headed in the right direction.

                  Mr. Kerry is also performing well in Blue states, among Young voters and among Single voters. In the Blue states, Mr. Kerry is winning 50% to 38%, while in the Red States, Mr. Bush is only winning 48% to 46%. Among Single voters, Mr. Kerry is winning huge by a total of 69% to 19%. And among young voters – 18-29 year olds – a group Al Gore only won by 2 points in 2000, Kerry is winning in a landslide, 53% to 33%.

                  There are three factors contributing to Senator Kerry’s lead in the electorate; first is President Bush’s eroding base, second is his failure in outreach to swing groups and base Democratic constituencies, and third is Mr. Kerry’s strengthening of his base. Mr. Kerry also has the potential to open a bigger lead in two areas. First, among the undecided voters, if Mr. Kerry can sell himself as a viable alternative to Mr. Bush, he stands to make large gains amongst the small, but significant chuck of undecideds. Second is in the turnout arena, Mr. Kerry’s large leads amongst Hispanics – who will potentially make up a great portion of the electorate than they did in 2000 – and young voters – who numerous non-partisan groups like Rock the Vote and MTV are targeting – will stand to boost his total share of the vote with every point their turnout increases. Mr. Kerry is showing a 2-to-1 lead (50% to 25%) amongst voters who didn’t vote in 2000, while winning three-quarters (75%) of Ralph Nader’s voters and stealing twice as many (8% to 4%) of Mr. Bush voters in 2000 than Bush is stealing of Gore voters in 2000.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Apocalypse

                    I missed this...links?
                    Here's a link to one of many articles about the Kerry family's French empire.

                    If you want more, you can google for "Kerry france family"

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                    • #25
                      Well the only thing I got out of the Democratic Convention was finding out that Teresa Heinz was an "anti- gay raccoon b1tch". Never expected that.


                      That and the whole Kerry-French connection. Hadn't realized Teresa was practally French and Kerry had a cousin who's a French Mayor. Its like Bush versus France for the Presidential election. Pretty much like the last four years only in electible format.

                      * GhengisFarb sits back to see if his mrmitchell bait catches anything.

                      I hear Bush's daddy sold weapons to Saddam Hussein.
                      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                      • #26
                        Hadn't realized Teresa was practally French


                        I guess Theresa is "practically French" if you consider South Africa part of France...
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mrmitchell

                          I hear Bush's daddy sold weapons to Saddam Hussein.
                          So did Kerry's France, and they were doing it DURING the UN embargo to not do so.

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                          • #28
                            So did Kerry's France, and they were doing it DURING the UN embargo to not do so.
                            Kerry was (Vice) President of France?
                            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                            • #29
                              Of course, the only thing that matters is the electoral vote, and according to individual state polls, Kerry is leading in the electorate 289-232.

                              http://www.electoral-vote.com/ updates daily with any new polls and is very interesting to track.

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                              • #30
                                Isn't that what America's all about?
                                I don't know.

                                For me the US is the economic powerhouse side of the trade off versus keeping a social and friendly society.

                                I prefer to live on the other side though

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