Americans: If the UK had a supreme court..

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Hypothetically you are a senior officer looking at recruits. You have a large Jewish community under your juristiction. You have someone of liberal politic, and a Nazi. Which is most appropriate for dealing with that community?

Depends on how they act.

A hospital is going to employ a child care worker for its creche, or a paediatrician, say.

They have candidates, some are known to have been paedophiles in the past, some not.


Who do they choose to deal with the kiddies, the kiddy fiddlers, or the non-kiddy fiddlers?


It would be insane to employ someone who agrees with shoving dog sh!t through people's letterboxes because they're of black or Asian origin or scrawling Nazi graffiti on synagogues in a police force whose jurisdiction included, say, Brixton, or Golders Green.

The idea is that the community has at least a shred of confidence in the impartiality of their police force.

Had you seen a documentary on new recruits into the constabulary (as many British people did not too long ago) you would understand why this is a very real concern, and not simply a high school hypothetical.

[Solly]

They have candidates, some are known to have been paedophiles in the past, some not.


Who do they choose to deal with the kiddies, the kiddy fiddlers, or the non-kiddy fiddlers?

False comparison yet again.. You don't have to be racist to be a member of the BNP. It's like saying members of the Labour party shouldn't be in the police force because of their sexist female-only recruitment policies.

Of course the best solution would be don't ask don't tell, and then judge the officers on their policing abilities.

[MikeH]

I bet there are some BNP members who claim not to be racist, but they are.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Park Avenue


You don't have to be racist to be a member of the BNP.

Of course the best solution would be don't ask don't tell, and then judge the officers on their policing abilities.

No of course not, which is why the BNP membership is all the colours of the rainbow.




Some people might think that assuming someone is more likely to be guilty because of their skin colour, perceived ethnicity or the fact that they are the offspring of refugees/immigrants makes them more likely to be a criminal, but then you haven't applied for a job wit the police, have you?


Unlike you I don't view the world through the perspective of my lower intestine, wherein my head is firmly lodged.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
In the USA it is illegal to fire someone based on political affiliation.

The hell it is.

[DanS]

I rechecked and I guess you're right. However, the federal government policy states that political affiliation is a covered protection for federal employees. There might be a few exemptions for certain areas. For instance, the Army kicks out gays if they make a big deal about it, but the federal workforce guidelines protects for sexual orientation.

http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/fs-fed.html

[Solly]

Cheers Dan. That makes interesting reading.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by DanS
For instance, the Army kicks out gays if they make a big deal about it,

That's a very charitable interpretation of military policy not borne out by the experience of a great many ex-servicewomen and men.

http://www.tampabaycoalition.com/files/1110TBCGayArabicLinguistsOpEd.htm

'The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN), a group representing gay military personnel, documented 563 violations of the policy (Don't Ask, Don't Tell) in 1997.

What kinds of investigations are improper?

In one instance reported by SLDN and major newspapers, a member's private discussion with a therapist was used to begin an investigation as to whether he was gay. In September 1993, Marine Cpl. Kevin Blaesing discussed his sexuality with a psychologist at a naval hospital in Charleston, S.C. The psychologist reported Blaesing's visit to his commander. Soon after, Blaesing's commanders asked him whether he was gay and sought to discharge him. Blaesing claims that he never stated that he was gay, but the mere fact that he sought to discuss the issue touched off an investigation. Blaesing's next request was to re-enlist was denied and he was effectively discharged.


Retired Army Col. David Hackworth :

"The military simply must not and need not adhere to the same rules as civilian employment. Although the military defends the principles of democratic society, it cannot fully embody them. Its end is victory, not equity; its virtue is courage, not justice; its structure is authoritarian, not pluralistic." '

http://www.facts.com/icof/i00062.htm

"It appears the Army finally realized that the "Don't Ask,
Don't Tell" policy should not be stretched beyond its intended scope, especially in the case of an officer described by the Army's own command as:

'one of the best and brightest'

and revered by his troops," Wolf said.

"We have argued all along that the Army mindlessly went on a 'search and destroy' mission against one of its own, essentially playing a game of 'gotcha' in order to oust a gay officer.
That is not what Congress intended when it passed 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' " Wolf added.

http://www.logcabincolumbus.org/Army%20Dismissal.htm

Now I'm not sure, but do you think a private discussion with a psychologist qualifies as 'making a fuss' about one's possible sexual orientation?

[Starchild]

Originally posted by DanS
For instance, the Army kicks out gays if they make a big deal about it,

Like, you know, saying the word "gay" preceeded by the words "I am".

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Starchild


Like, you know, saying the word "gay" preceeded by the words "I am".

Right, that's it, Starchild, you replied in a fuss making homosexualist goddam morphodite way.



You're fired.

[chequita guevara]

Morphodite?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Morphodite?

The wonderful 'To Kill a Mockingbird' by Harper Lee.

Scout: (to Miss Maudie) about a snowman:

"’You mean the Morphodite?’" I asked.

Scout's use of a corrupted form of 'hermaphrodite', still, not bad going for a six year old girl

And still today used as invective:

'Says the fanatic pagan morphodite, enforcing its secular state religion values through activist judges, the ACLU, etc. '

http://www.missoula.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?read=28494

I love American English.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by MikeH
I bet there are some BNP members who claim not to be racist, but they are.

Possibly true. However, I think it outrageous that people should be sacked from their jobs for what they think, rather than what they do.

[Solly]

FP

Left-Liberal nazi thoughtpolice

[FrustratedPoet]

Oh God, perhaps I'm wrong after all.