Democratic Convention

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Why would you go out of your way to deliberately pick a loser, unless you're a communist?

Why don't you ask your buddies, the Democrats?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why don't you ask your buddies, the Democrats?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Hell, I'm pro-Kerry.

even if he is a #$%*& yankee liberal

Bush isnt my candidate either but Kerry turns my stomach. Hell, I'd rather have that pantywaist Gore than Kerry.

[Ramo]

I wish I had seen Obama's speech but alas, I missed it.

Here it is:

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04_dnc072704_obama.rm

What a BAM! I can counter with my own BAM then! Cuomo would have been painted as a traditional liberal and would have been trounced to the extent Mondale was.

You can BAM all you want. The fact is that Bush was a very weak incumbent facing a strong third party challenge. And he could've been beaten. The election might've been closer, but he still would've lost.

Besides, my point was that Cuomo chose not to run when the nomination was his dawg. Cuomo's speech was effective in getting him support. If Obama passes up opportunities like Cuomo's, he won't be President. But he's young enough to have a few such opportunities.

I havent watched any but a few very very short snippets including 10 secs of Obama. After seeing the exerpts here I read his speech. If you ignore all the (understandable) pro-Kerry rubbish it's quite interesting. On one hand he appears moderate but then mentions Kerry in the same light. Something doesnt fit there. Either he supports Kerry, which means he's not really a moderate, or he is a moderate and just giving Kerry his due.

You've got it all mixed up. Obama's a liberal, Kerry's more moderate (despite the GOP's talking points to the contrary).

Anyways, that's the genius of the speech. He sells a liberal agenda in a way that appeals to conservatives. And it beautifully refutes the right wing charicature of the left.

(I think it's better written than his presentation - which didnt grab me)

I'm guessing that the speech in soudbytes wouldn't be very effective due to his speaking style. And it took a while for him to gain his stride, and then he was on fire.

[Imran Siddiqui]

my point was that Cuomo chose not to run when the nomination was his dawg.

I doubt that Cuomo would have won and then in the general, while Clinton could run to the middle and win, Cuomo would be painted as a liberal and get trounced.

[Ramo]

Well, I think you're wrong, Bush was too weak and Perot too strong.

And remember, Clinton ran (in the general) closer to the left than how he governed.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Perot took equal number of Dems than he did Republicans. And Clinton descibed himself as a moderate left type. And it wasn't really a landslide. Clinton was just really good and made Bush and the economy seem weaker than they really were.

[Ramo]

While Perot took a lot of Democrats, Cuomo could've stopped some of the hemorraging of Dems to Perot.

Anyways, we're not going to agree and this debate is getting boring.

[lord of the mark]

1. Im very glad there has been no terr act so far (kenainahara)

2. Like Gepap, i missed when conventions mattered. They may not have been great deliberative bodies, but it was more fun. In particular 1976 GOP - Ford vs Reagan. 1980 dems - Carter vs Kennedy.

Of course Im too young to remember the multiballot conventions.

3. Ive been watching very little - the only speech Im really interested in is Kerry's - I really want some insight on Kerrys plans, esp on foreign policy - im not gonna get that from anyone other than Kerry (though a Holbrooke speech would be interesting, but not gonna happen)

Note to Imran - i met that Shundler (sp?) fellow from Jersey City - a nice guy, not sure what hes doing now.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Note to Imran - i met that Shundler (sp?) fellow from Jersey City - a nice guy, not sure what hes doing now.

You know, I'm not sure myself. I think he said he may run again next year. McGreevey is HATED in Jersey at the moment and who knows, a Republican who was voted and reelected mayor of Jersey City sure has a chance .

[MrFun]

I have gotten more excited about Kerry the past three weeks than I ever was before in the past.

[MrFun]

Even with my studies, I'm going to try to make time to watch Edwards's speech tonight.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Sharpton is speaking now. He brought up that a few justices on the SCOTUS may be retiring during the next Administration. He said that we cannot allow Bush to pick their replacements. He brought up the recent anniversary of Brown vs. Board of Education.

He then dropped a bomb. He insinuated that African-Americans may not have had the rights to attend those schools had Bush chosen the Justices that decided Brown vs. Board.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

His speech, like always is INSANELY racially charged...but he said the following:

"You think we'd have more leverage if we voted equally for both parties. But the ones who got our vote earned our vote. We got our Civil Rights under a democrat. We got the right to vote under a democrat. We got the right to organize under a democrat."

Is he wrong?

[Ramo]

Say what you will about Sharpton, but he's a fine damn speaker.

I did appreciate that segregation line: "If George Bush had selected the court in 1954, Clarence Thomas would have never gotten to law school!"