Islam is a peaceful religion is it..

[Dis]

It's a crap religion. There I said it. Not that christianity is any better.

But I'm tired of being forced to "accept" Islam. They treat their women like dirt. Therefore there religion is crap.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

That's the first I've heard that the bombing here was done by right-wing Christian fanatics.

Well, you live and learn.

'To the very end McVeigh exhibited no public remorse. According to a news report, he requested the “last rights” of the Catholic Church after he was strapped to the execution gurney - even though he was a professed agnostic.'

http://www.christiancourier.com/penpoints/mcveighsInvictus.htm

Timothy McVeigh and his links to the Neo-Nazi Christian extremists:

http://eyeonhate.com/mcveigh/mcveigh6.html

Nobody portrays WWI and WWII as 'Christian' conflicts- despite the fact that the fuses for both were lit in combat between Christian countries.

It now seems that every terrorist who was born a Muslim or in a country with an Arab culture and kills is now shown as killing for Islam- this despite the fact that Saddam Hussein's regime and Syria under Assad were secular supporters of terrorism and in Saddam's case actively waged war against theocratic Saudi Arabia and devout Shi'ites in Iraq and theocratic Shi'ite Iran.

People also tend to forget those terrorists who were Arab and Christian such as George Habash:


'Until 2000, the PFLP was led by George Habash, a Palestinian doctor from an Orthodox Christian family. '

http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/pflp.html

Or that several of the Palestinian 'liberation' groups have been avowedly Marxist and secular in nature and edicated to the overthrow of Saudi Arabia's regime.

Rarely are the Irish Republican Army or the Irish National Liberation Army or the Ulster Freedom Fighters portrayed as being Christian, yet their members are invariably from Christian families and Christian communities, killing in the name of politics and religion.


E.T.A. , the Basque separatists aren't renowned for having scores of Muslim recruits willing to die for Basque independence.

And in the despotic regimes of Central and South America, the paramilitaries and the agents of the state security bureaus carrying out genocide and murder and torture aren't usually atheists either:

Clemente Díaz Aguilar

Missionary in Guatemala

My captors stole everything from me.... Those who captured me, in front of me, divided up my money, and later they led me into the hands of the torturers. In the long hours of torture, they asked me constantly about other pastors ... of some churches in the capital; they asked me also about my views on liberation theology and about the liberation of the people of Israel. The Torturers, tired of doing so much damage to me, rested for a while; then I recognised some of them: two are members of a singing duo from these churches [Verbo and Misión Elim]; I begged [them] to recognise me because I recognised them; then they asked me questions about my capture, my complete name, my address, my church and my activities. When they realised I was not the person they were looking for, they begged my forgiveness, saying "Brother, we are also Christians."

-- Clemente Díaz Aguilar, from "Sectas y religiosidad en America Latina," pub. Instituto Latinoamericano de Estudios Transnacionales, Casilla 16637, Correo 9, Santiago, Chile, October, 1984, pp.21-22,

quoted from Therion Ware, "Christianity -- Killing For
Christ?"


Pastor: Army Kills "Demons," Not Indians

"The Army doesn't massacre the Indians. It massacres demons, and the Indians are demon possessed; they are communists. We hold Brother Efraín Ríos Montt like King David of the Old Testament. He is the king of the New Testament."

-- Unnamed Pastor, quoted in "Sectas y religiosidad en America Latina," pub. Instituto Latinoamericano de Estudios Transnacionales, Casilla 16637, Correo 9, Santiago, Chile, October, 1984, p. 23. When Jimmy Carter cut off aid to Montt, Pat Robertson and other fundamentalist Christians sent millions to support his regime in the name of Christ.

Quoted from Therion Ware, "Christianity -- Killing For Christ?."

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/scar_a.htm

I save the best for last:

Arnaud-Amaury

Abbot of Citeaux, 1209

Kill them all; for God knoweth them that are His.

(Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens.)

[when asked by the Crusaders what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars, the Abbot takes the concept of the afterlife to its logical conclusion, in Henry C. Lea, 'The Inquisition of the Middle Ages' ]

[Dis]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

Yeah, right wing Christians are the end of the world. I don't remember any beheading any civilians lately.

right wing christians do not speak for the christian majority any mroe than extremist terrorist muslims speak for the muslim majority.

i just find it ridiculous to want to "ban" a faith because its texts may have some less-than-savory parts.

furthermore, a lot of that brutality, surprise, surprise, ends up occuring only in third-world or developing nations, whether or not they are muslim. to muddle the brutality that arises from primitive conditions with a religion that in its more modern forms disavows as much of its brutal past as christian religions do...

the religoin is a crock. Look how it was formed. Well I know christianity wasnn't much better.

[Dis]

Re: Re: Re: Islam is a peaceful religion is it..

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


They have plastic surgeons who can restore the virginity

plastic surgeons can alter the brain too?

Virginity is in the brain

[Bragelonne]

I think this thread particullarly is discriminating and their followers are NAZI (oops, National Socialism, sorry).

It attacks freedom of thought and religion. It should be banned, and the creator burnt in a chpstick.

[Dis]

Originally posted by molly bloom



So a date with Park Avenue is out, I suppose?


'Yeah, right wing Christians are the end of the world. I don't remember any beheading any civilians lately.'

Patroklos


I remember one setting off a bomb in Oklahoma City.


All those god fearing folks in the Deep South who happily watched black men dangle from nooses- you think they were Liberals, or Muslims?

Northern Ireland- many mullahs inciting Christians to kill each other there?

Serbia attacks Croatia- the fault of Islam?

A peace loving Christian terrorist supporter speaks his 'mind':

'The federal Department of Justice's "war on terror" will be waged against not only Muslims in foreign nations, but also Christian terrorists in our homeland. Both the Holy Bible and Koran condemn baby murder and homosexuality as capital crimes, and the radical elements of both religions are willing to do more than talk to resist the societal promotion of these crimes. While the foreign terrorists resist the imposition of the U.S./U.N. charter, which promotes "population control" (abortion) and "diversity" (homosexuality), the domestic Christian terrorist simply resists the law of the land, which promotes and often subsidizes abortion and homosexuality.

"There was a time in 2001," notes Clarkson, "when for the first time in history three of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted criminals were antiabortion domestic terrorists." What a sad commentary this is! The days of womb children murderers being found on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list is over. We have devolved. Indeed the wicked should be terrified of good men. Unrepentant baby murderers, sodomites, adulterers, man stealers, pedophiles, rapists and the like should indeed cringe in the shadows at the presence of a God-fearing man, even as they would cringe before Jesus, because they are to act as his body on earth, receiving him as their Governor.

But the Christian terrorist is not so inadequate. Dead abortionists don't kill babies, and a fire-bombed death camp can no longer facilitate the holocaust against them.

As cream rises to the top, so the Christian terrorist rises above the huddled masses of churchgoers and the many voices that denounce their violent attempts to defend the innocent from their murderous assailants. '

http://www.salon.com/opinion/letters/2004/01/05/army_of_god/

Now remember- god is love.

What did the Oklahoma city bombing have to do with christianity.

face it. christians kill less people than muslims (now).

[Dis]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Christians in Africa

they don't count

[KrazyHorse]

christians kill less people than muslims (now).

Rwanda.

[Tripledoc]

Still muslims are nicer people than anglo-saxons. Go figure.

[Dis]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

christians kill less people than muslims (now).

Rwanda.

they aren't christians.

only white people can be christians

[Dis]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Still muslims are nicer people than anglo-saxons. Go figure.

do you see how they treat women!

[Tripledoc]

You mean surgically altered breasts?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dissident


What did the Oklahoma city bombing have to do with christianity.

face it. christians kill less people than muslims (now).

Oh well I'm glad you said that, because now I feel so much better about the genocide of Guatemalan Indians, the Thirty Years War, the many Crusades, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the Holocaust.


All is forgiven, killers for Christ, those god damned Mooslims killed a bunch a people.


Ever been to the green fields of Ireland, Diss?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/deaths2003draft.htm

23 July 1989 John Devine (37) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: non-specific Loyalist group (LOY)
Shot at his home, Fallswater Street, Falls, Belfast.

25 July 1989 Alexander Bell (39) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Died 18 days after being injured in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Red Arch Bay, near Cushendall, County Antrim.

09 August 1989 Seamus Duffy (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.

25 August 1989 Loughlin Maginn (28) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF)
Shot at his home, Lissize, near Rathfriland, County Down.

02 September 1989 Patrick McKenna (43) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Shot from passing motor cycle while standing outside Ardoyne shops, Crumlin Road, Belfast.

02 September 1989 Brian Robinson (27) Protestant
Status: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by undercover British Army (BA) members, immediately after being involved in gun attack on pedestrians outside Ardoyne shops, Crumlin Road, Belfast.

07 September 1989 Heidi Hazell (26) nfNIE
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
German woman married to British Army (BA) member. Shot while sitting in stationary car outside British Army (BA) married quarters, Unna Messen, Dortmund, West Germany.

16 September 1989 Kevin Froggett (35) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot by sniper while repairing radio mast, Coalisland British Army (BA) / Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) base, County Tyrone.

22 September 1989 Trevor Davis (40) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Richard Jones (26) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 David McMillan (25) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Mark Petch (24) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Michael Ball (24) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Dean Pavey (32) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Timothy Reaves (24) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Richard Fice (22) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Robert Simmonds (34) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 John Cleatheroe (25) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England.

22 September 1989 Christopher Nolan (21) nfNIB
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Injured in time bomb attack on British Army (BA) base, Deal, Kent, England. He died 18 October 1989

04 October 1989 James Babington (52) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot while walking to work along Chichester Park South, off Antrim Road, Belfast

08 October 1989 Alwyn Harris (51) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Killed by booby trap bomb attached to his car outside his home, Dalboyne Gardens, Lisburn, County Antrim.

09 October 1989 Thomas Gibson (28) Protestant
Status: British Army Territorial Army (TA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Also member of Ulster Resistance. Shot while waiting for lift to work, Bank Square, Kilrea, County Derry.

18 October 1989 Robert Metcalfe (40) Protestant
Status: Civilian Political Activist (CivPA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Member of Ulster Resistance. Shot at his home, Drumnabreeze Road, Magheralin, near Lurgan, County Down.

20 October 1989 Michael Marshall (25) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot during gun attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Belleek, near Newtownhamilton, County Armagh.

26 October 1989 Maheshkumar Islania (34) nfNIE
Status: Royal Air Force (RAF), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot during gun attack on his car while at petrol filling station, Wildenrath, West Germany.

26 October 1989 Niurati Islania (0) nfNIE
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot during gun attack on her Royal Air Force (RAF) member father's car while at petrol filling station, Wildenrath, West Germany.

06 November 1989 Robert Burns (49) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish People's Liberation Organisation (IPLO)
Shot at his home, Milltown Avenue, Derriaghy, near Belfast, County Antrim.

09 November 1989 Ian Johnston (31) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Undercover Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) member. Shot, in error, by other Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) member, during raid on house, Upper Meadow Street, New Lodge, Belfast.

15 November 1989 Robert Glover (37) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by booby trap bomb attached to his car which exploded while travelling along road, Killymaddy, near Ballygawley, County Tyrone. Contractor to British Army (BA) / Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC).

17 November 1989 David Halligan (57) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot shortly after leaving Drumad British Army (BA) base while driving his car along Hamiltonsbawn Road, Armagh.

18 November 1989 Stephen Wilson (23) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by remote controlled bomb hidden in derelict cottage, detonated when British Army (BA) mobile patrol passed, Mayobridge, County Down.

18 November 1989 Donald Macaulay (20) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by remote controlled bomb hidden in derelict cottage, detonated when British Army (BA) mobile patrol passed, Mayobridge, County Down.

18 November 1989 Matthew Marshall (21) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by remote controlled bomb hidden in derelict cottage, detonated when British Army (BA) mobile patrol passed, Mayobridge, County Down.

29 November 1989 Liam Ryan (39) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Shot during gun attack on Battery Bar, Moortown, near Coagh, County Tyrone.

29 November 1989 Michael Devlin (33) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Shot during gun attack on Battery Bar, Moortown, near Coagh, County Tyrone

13 December 1989 Michael Paterson (21) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in gun, grenade and bomb attack on permanent British Army (BA) Vehicle Check Point (VCP), Derryard, near Rosslea, County Fermanagh.

13 December 1989 James Houston (23) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in gun, grenade and bomb attack on permanent British Army (BA) Vehicle Check Point (VCP), Derryard, near Rosslea, County Fermanagh.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1989.html

That's a portion of one year. One year.

Whose god are they killing for?

My friend Shirin's, whose husband runs a Bengali restaurant, whose daughter Sammi likes Picasso and Pavarotti and who has never picked up a gun in her life?

She can't be a real Muslim then, can she.

[Tripledoc]

Americas Third World War

How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

[Ramo]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

christians kill less people than muslims (now).

Rwanda.

I was reading an interesting article a while back. It was saying that in Rwanda's Muslims doubled in the past decade (to something like 15% of the population). The reason seems to be that a lot of the RCC in Rwanda was complicit in the genocide, while Muslim leaders did a lot to protect the Tutsis.