Arrest me and throw away the key

[Pekka]

BK, he talked about gays being ready to rape animals. That is not very good thing to say. That's demonizing a group of people. When you put all those things together, you got persecution 100%.

I still think a month in jail is too harsh of a punishment. I think they're just making an example out of him.

Interpretations, interpretations.. you have to remember but up here, it's pretty liberal. We are euros, when it comes to sex, many of us Christians feels that what happens in bedroom between two adults (or more), is their own business and that God wants us to take pleasure and enjoy ourselves with people we love.
THat's a popular interpretation in here, and plus many pastors (lutherans can be called pastors) do actually accept homosexuals. Not everyone feels it's a big sin, or sickness. There have been many pastors even on TV saying that homosexuals or straight people, love is love and that's it and everyone is accepted by the church. And they go as far as citing the bible for it.

As far as my own interpretation goes, I feel that everyone is accepted by God, no matter what race, colour, age, social status or sexual preferense. IMO it just doesn't matter if you believe, and want to be saved, it's enough, including gay people as well.

Even the main dude of catholic church in here said that homosexuals are just like us, they just love the same gender. I think he wasn't ready to register them, but he was ready to accept them as they are and welcome them too. Not converting, but just welcoming.

So these anti-gay preaching pastors seems to be more like a minority in here. We do have gay people here like in every country, and bashing gays is not seen as a cool thing at all. It's a sign of a jerk, and is widely condemned. So, if a pastor would say that gay people would rape animals, are comparable to pedophiles, are tumour of our society, you bet they're ass is out. And we don't see it as freedom of religion thing. That's your interpretation of freedom of religion.

Freedon of religion, just as freedom of speech is alive in here, but it comes with a responsibility, and if you start persecuting speeches like that, you'll get the heat from it. In here, you're not braking law though, in Sweden you are.

If this pastor is so worried about gay phenomenon, he could say homosexualism is a sin and they are sinners, and that we must pray for them to wake up or something. It's different than going on saying they rape animals and are the reason for God to strike Scandinavia. THat's bigot speak.

[Pekka]

Bottom line: It's very clear difference saying homosexualsim is a sin, gay people are sick and bible says homosexualsim is not allowed than saying gay people are ready to rape animals and that God will strike upon us because of gay people? The latter one is persecution no matter how you turn it. It's not directly calling action against gay people, but be sure there are always dumb people in there who goes' god damn gay people! We must protect scandinavia!' Persecution 101.

[Imran Siddiqui]

he was convicted of making statements with intent to denigrate/disrespect/defame ("uttrycka missaktning mot") a group of people because of their sexuality. In the court's opinion and interpretation of the law that is a violation of the rights of homosexuals and a threat to democratic values and the safety of minority groups in society.

Preventing people from being 'denigrated, disrespected, and defamed' is more important than freedom of speech?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

he was convicted of making statements with intent to denigrate/disrespect/defame ("uttrycka missaktning mot") a group of people because of their sexuality. In the court's opinion and interpretation of the law that is a violation of the rights of homosexuals and a threat to democratic values and the safety of minority groups in society.

Preventing people from being 'denigrated, disrespected, and defamed' is more important than freedom of speech?

No.

Preventing Obi Gyn from turning a thread about sump oil usage in Uzbekistan into yet another thread about why gays are sinful, are like paedophiles, and gay marriage is bad, bad, bad, IS more important than food, the meaning of life, and whether you ever get laid again, Imran.


I'd really like it if he took up something useful, like, say, macrame, prison visiting or missionary work in northern Sudan.

But why do good works, when you can spend your time on-line regurgitating 2 000 year old bigotry?

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Bebro:

What would you consider sufficient punishment? A year?

He should be burned as heretic for not following the official line of thinking.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Where does he say this, Pekka? Do you happen to have the sermon in question?

...och sexuella abnormiteter är en djup cancersvulst på hela samhällskroppen. Herren vet att sexuellt förvridna människor kommer till och med att våldta djuren. Inte heller djuren går fria för människans sexuella behov och brand som är tänt i en människa utan till och med det kan man ägna sig åt. Och det har jag hört människor berätta för mig själv, då jag satt och lyssnade till då jag var jourhavande medmänniska, genom Röda korset under många år. Så var det inte en tillfällighet att människor berättade om sina djuriska förbindelser man har
haft och som gett en tillfredsställelse.

Available at http://www.contra.nu/green.html but unfortunately in Swedish only.

[Kitschum]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

he was convicted of making statements with intent to denigrate/disrespect/defame ("uttrycka missaktning mot") a group of people because of their sexuality. In the court's opinion and interpretation of the law that is a violation of the rights of homosexuals and a threat to democratic values and the safety of minority groups in society.

Preventing people from being 'denigrated, disrespected, and defamed' is more important than freedom of speech?

Obviously not in MY opinion, but in tingsrätten's - the lowest level of courts - pastor Green crossed a line. This is a new law (or rather, a change in strictness and scope of an older law) and the first verdict will probably be appealed all the way to HD (the Supreme Court ).

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Preventing people from being 'denigrated, disrespected, and defamed' is more important than freedom of speech?

Defamation has long been illegal in most western countries.

[Agathon]

Go Molly!!!!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
In the future please read the whole section from which you're ripping a biblical quote to ensure that you preserve the meaning within the true context.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Defamation has long been illegal in most western countries.

Against individuals or organizations, not against groups. You can make up all the lies you want about Jews, blacks, Italians, WASPs, etc, and that ain't defamation.

Obviously not in MY opinion

Oh, I understand. Sorry if you thought I was directing it at you... I was directing my comments at the quoted part in general.

[Az]

Against individuals or organizations, not against groups. You can make up all the lies you want about Jews, blacks, Italians, WASPs, etc, and that ain't defamation.

That's just stupid.

[Sava]

the bible is hate speech

[Kitschum]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Oh, I understand. Sorry if you thought I was directing it at you... I was directing my comments at the quoted part in general.

It's ok. I wasn't sure, thought it best to clarify.

[Flinx]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
... nor homosexual offenders ...

I am quite sure that this did not appear in the original text. This is a 20th centaury concept.