Homosexuals and Fascism (article from A&L)

[Starchild]

Fascists are sexy.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well that's not true. I don't think Anti-homosexual ideologies (like Falwell religions) have gay adherents.

As I have already said -- there are gays who are part of the religious-right. They deny that they are gay, but that does not change the fact of part of their own identity.

Worse, there are gays in the religious-right who know they are gay but are closeted to others. They preach and rant against homosexual behavior, then engage in the same behaviors they denounce.

[MrFun]

Another point Imran -- I basically explained where many homophobes are coming from. They're gays who hate themselves and all other gays.

That's not to say that all religious-right people are gay, and it's not to say that all homophobes are gay in denial.

[Whaleboy]

I'm not a fascist, and will not admit to it ever. Not in one million ****ing years.

Thats fascist talk!!

GET HIM!!!

[Theben]

Originally posted by Kropotkin

You know, it's quite easy to adopt the strategies from Orwell's 1984 on an internet forum...

Exactly what I thought when I read Fez's post.

[Kropotkin]

So, now I've actually read the article...

Well, it's an enigma really. Or isn't it? I don't really know, but aren't we trying to understand this to much in a rational light? Rationality is hardly the core of the nazi philosophy, is it? People that join radical political or religious groups are seldom very rational from the perspective of mainstream society. I've actually myself meet a couple of people that was quite obviously not of swedish ethnic decent, but still was part of the nazi skinhead movement of the early and mid 1990s. They and their nazi friends didn't seem to have any problems dealing with the fact that one of them, going around and screaming 'Heil Hitler' and 'Sverige åt svenskarna' (Sweden for the swedes) was asian. Even if I have to admit that I didn't really stick around long enough to debate it with them....

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well true Fascism isn't rational. In fact it is anti-rational, believing that human emotion is the most important thing.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I basically explained where many homophobes are coming from. They're gays who hate themselves and all other gays.

Sorry, but as much as I hear of this the more and more silly I think this hypothesis is. I think it was used as a weapon against homophobes and isn't grounded in fact.

[anti patriot]

"You know, it's quite easy to adopt the strategies from Orwell's 1984 on an internet forum..."

tempting isnt it...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I basically explained where many homophobes are coming from. They're gays who hate themselves and all other gays.

Sorry, but as much as I hear of this the more and more silly I think this hypothesis is. I think it was used as a weapon against homophobes and isn't grounded in fact.

So in other words, you do not understand basic psychology of humans.

[Thorn]

*thinks should I make a rebuttle to Giancarlo* Hmm... guess I'll keep my mouth shut here too....

[molly bloom]

Re: Re: Homosexuals and Fascism (article from A&L)

Originally posted by Giancarlo


If you ever couple my name with fascism, or anything like that you'll get what is coming to you. That is going towards all of you. There will be hell to pay.

Anyone scared?

Anyone?

It's hard to be frightening when you look like a thinner knock off of Jai from Queer Guy.

'I beat you with my tapas, you brute, you brute, you brute!"

(apologies to 'Blazing Saddles')

[Drake Tungsten]

* Theben notes Drake's smiley

I knew I shouldn't have added that. Not a single bite...

[Bosh]

It's fairly simple -- they never come to accept the fact they themselves are gay so they continue to be a religious-right bigot or a fascist

Looks like someone didn't even bother to read the linked article. It bring up plenty of examples of fascists that are openly gay.

If you ever couple my name with fascism, or anything like that you'll get what is coming to you. That is going towards all of you. There will be hell to pay.

*digs up old quote file*
"I am known as an Extreme Authoritarian Radical"
"Wow, I really am authoritarian"
Yes, it would be horribly irrational to think that there is even the slightest link between a former proponent of right-wing authoritarianism (and anti-democratic coups) with fascism .

Supported a military junta? Nope.

So you never discussed your desire to ride a tank through the street and overthrow democratically-elected governments?

By the way, nazism was homophobic. I don't like how some people like to be history revisionists.

Looks like someone else didn't even bother to read the article before mouthing off.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boshko

Looks like someone didn't even bother to read the linked article. It bring up plenty of examples of fascists that are openly gay.

My bad choice of wording -- what I stated is not the only possibility.


And secondly, you're right with another person's oversimplified statement that because Nazism was homophobic, that none of them could have been gay.