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  • #31
    Hmm... possilby by dictating and imposing libertarian views on others?

    Sound like anyone you know, Agathon?
    thats not possible - the only thing you are 'enforcing' is freedom, but since you cannot force someone to be free, only give him the option to be, you are not forcing libertarianism on anybody.
    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Agathon


      How so. I'm not disputing that there are gay fascists or gay fundies. I'm just wondering how it's possible for someone to reconcile them without suffering from some sort of mental illness.
      *case in point me*
      "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Agathon


        How so. I'm not disputing that there are gay fascists or gay fundies. I'm just wondering how it's possible for someone to reconcile them without suffering from some sort of mental illness.

        It's fairly simple -- they never come to accept the fact they themselves are gay so they continue to be a religious-right bigot or a fascist.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #34
          Why not? One can argue that gays are just as part of the nation as straights are and that the nation ends at ethnicity. Gays aren't deviant culture, but are part of the national culture. I don't see why homosexual MUST be inconsistent with Fascism, seeing that Fascism goes well beyond conservativism and is a very radical ideology.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #35
            exactly, Imran -- there is no ideology in which there are no gay adherents
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #36
              Well that's not true. I don't think Anti-homosexual ideologies (like Falwell religions) have gay adherents.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #37
                Masochistic gays?
                "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                • #38
                  Re: Homosexuals and Fascism (article from A&L)

                  Originally posted by Agathon
                  THIS IS NOT A TROLL THREAD AIMED AT FEZ OR ANYONE ELSE!!!! NOR IS IT SAYING THAT GAYS=NAZIS OR NAZIS=GAYS!!!! NOR IS IT ENDORSING ANY FORM OF HOMOPHOBIA!!!

                  I just saw this article linked on A&L and I thought it was fascinating. I had no idea that so many prominent fascists were gay, and I am astonished that any gay people would have anything to do with fascism, given the intense homophobia of the radical right. Despite what Hari says, I'm still confused about the whole phenomenon.

                  Anyway, interested parties please read on:

                  http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=407
                  If you ever couple my name with fascism, or anything like that you'll get what is coming to you. That is going towards all of you. There will be hell to pay.

                  By the way, nazism was homophobic. I don't like how some people like to be history revisionists.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MrFun

                    It's fairly simple -- they never come to accept the fact they themselves are gay so they continue to be a religious-right bigot or a fascist.
                    Read the article again: many of these people are defiantly gay.
                    Only feebs vote.

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                    • #40
                      If you ever couple my name with fascism, or anything like that you'll get what is coming to you. That is going towards all of you. There will be hell to pay
                      Eh? You publicly admitted being a fascist on this very forum.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Agathon


                        Eh? You publicly admitted being a fascist on this very forum.
                        I'm not a fascist, and will not admit to it ever. Not in one million ****ing years.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #42
                          Anyone care to search the archive?

                          And will you please stop threatening people with violence.
                          Only feebs vote.

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                          • #43
                            yeah, u also supposrted a military junta in one of those island nations in the carribean.
                            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Agathon
                              Eh? You publicly admitted being a fascist on this very forum.
                              You know, it's quite easy to adopt the strategies from Orwell's 1984 on an internet forum...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Agathon
                                Anyone care to search the archive?

                                And will you please stop threatening people with violence.
                                I threatened you with a non-stop amount of rhetoric and words, not violence. (Please don't twist my ****ing words)

                                Supported a military junta? Nope.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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