Schwarzenegger: "Terminate animals!"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
IMO there shouldn't be a time limit at all. Let the shelters decide for themselves.

These are government shelters, not private ones.

[alva]

eah, and it's holiday season

Let's throw our cats and dogs out of our cars, we can pick-up a new one when get home!!!!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


These are government shelters, not private ones.

I gathered that...or at least I gathered that the govt is providing the funds that allow the shelters to keep the animals alive for the 6 days. But anyway...what difference does it make whether they are private shelters or not? The point is that government money is being wasted.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Verto
I was still recovering from the shock of how many people Sava had decided should die.

why? people are evil... good riddens...

oh wait, you're probably one of those christians that believes god created the world for us

yes... people have a "right to life" but no other living thing does... and you think I'm a monster?

Look at this from the POV of some higher being... humans are a destructive organism that is consuming the natural resources of this planet and polluting the environment probably to the point where life itself may not be possible on Earth any more. Humans are responsible for mass extinctions of life, not to mention the carnage humans bring upon themselves.

And then we have dogs and cats. What have they ever done? Too many of them have been born because HUMANS breed too many of them. But yet we're punishing them because of OUR mistakes.

Yes... the world is overpopulated.... WITH HUMANS. Look at the natural population levels of humans before so-called "civilization"... maybe around 200 million (pre 4000BC levels).

I'm only half-joking about this stuff. Would I advocate mass-murder? Probably not. But do humans deserve to live any more than any other form of life? Certainly not. And if there's any sort of karma for humanity, a huge asteroid is going to obliterate us so that nature can once again start from relative scratch.

I just hope that we don't become advanced enough to start ****ing up other planets. Hopefully the laws of physics will restrict us to our own solar system (which will eventually be swallowed by the sun when it goes red giant).

Humanity is a disease, Verto... the worst kind.

[alva]

I rather see them waste it on this than on something else.

[chequita guevara]

It's only wasted if you disagree. If you believe in trying to minimize the amount of animals you kill, which most Americans do, then it isn't a waste.

[Last Conformist]

Unless there is a cheaper way that achieves the same results.

[Az]

In our city, No-kill shelters don't kill. The government Veterinarian does.

Btw, Sava is a moron.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Sava
why? people are evil... good riddens...

Except you, of course. Otherwise you would have terminated your own life long ago.

oh wait, you're probably one of those christians that believes god created the world for us

Oh wait, you're probably one of those people that believes any opinion other than your own is invalid.

yes... people have a "right to life" but no other living thing does... and you think I'm a monster?

I'm a monster because I believe human life is worth more than the life of a dog?

Look at this from the POV of some higher being... humans are a destructive organism that is consuming the natural resources of this planet and polluting the environment probably to the point where life itself may not be possible on Earth any more. Humans are responsible for mass extinctions of life, not to mention the carnage humans bring upon themselves.

Oh no!!!111 Humans consume natural resources, just like every other living organism on this planet! We are monsters!

And then we have dogs and cats. What have they ever done? Too many of them have been born because HUMANS breed too many of them. But yet we're punishing them because of OUR mistakes.

Boohoo. I don't support the irresponsible pet owners who take no steps to prevent their animal from reproducing, but I'm not going to shed too many tears because Arnold is taking 3 days off the life of animals slated for possible termination.

Yes... the world is overpopulated.... WITH HUMANS. Look at the natural population levels of humans before so-called "civilization"... maybe around 200 million (pre 4000BC levels).

Again, why don't you terminate your own life? Or is it just easier to advocate the death of others, the abortion of fetuses? I mean, by your own admission, you are a parasite. Or is your parasitic life worth more than others, simply because they drive a car you don't like? Surely you consume unnecessary resources just by posting on Apolyton? But, since it's so much easier to judge others..

I'm only half-joking about this stuff. Would I advocate mass-murder? Probably not. But do humans deserve to live any more than any other form of life? Certainly not. And if there's any sort of karma for humanity, a huge asteroid is going to obliterate us so that nature can once again start from relative scratch.

Every species is competing for their own survival. What do you think an asteroid will do? Destroy life? Yes. But do you seriously think some other species won't dominate? It is part of nature.

Humanity is a disease, Verto... the worst kind.

Yes indeed, major crackpot.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It's only wasted if you disagree. If you believe in trying to minimize the amount of animals you kill, which most Americans do, then it isn't a waste.

I don't like the idea of killing animals any more than anyone else, but we have to face up to the hard reality that some animals will not be adopted. This isn't really about killing less animals, it's about deciding whether keeping animals that will be put down anyway alive for an extra few days on the taxpayer's dime makes sense or not.

[Sava]

Again, why don't you terminate your own life? Or is it just easier to advocate the death of others, the abortion of fetuses? I mean, by your own admission, you are a parasite. Or is your parasitic life worth more than others, simply because they drive a car you don't like? Surely you consume unnecessary resources just by posting on Apolyton? But, since it's so much easier to judge others..

I include myself in "humanity". WHich is why I said I want an asteroid to kill us all (that includes me). And considering the depression I'm going through without much progress, you might get your wish. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that I probably will kill myself. So you can grab popcorn and champagne the day that probably happens. At least do me the justice of using something good to celebrate with. Not Cristal, but at least $25 bucks a bottle.

I guess I'm just frustrated because I'm obviously a higher form of human intelligence than probably 99.999% of humanity. So naturally it's hard to discuss ideas with someone when they are beyond one's comprehension. Most are incapable of thinking as anything but a human being. It's not an insult or anything... just a fact of existence. Some people are capable of higher thought... most are.

It's not that I'm incapable of compassion or incapable of cherishing life... it's that I choose to cherish non-belligerent forms of life. I don't chastise humanity for eating meat, for instance... I eat meat myself. That's part of the natural food cycle. And it's not that humans just consume resources... it's that humanity is consuming at a rate far higher than it should naturally. This happens in nature... when predators consumer too much of their food supply, and thus cause their own demise. This will happen to humanity (or else, enough of humanity where a large population will starve as in Africa). The disturbing reality that Western Civilization feels no responsibility to help starving peoples is a testament to humanity's selfish and brutal nature. America is really the only nation capable of solving much of the world's problems, but we choose not to. We muster our industrial capacity to fight wars, but never to help others. That in itself is a testament to the nature of American culture.

I'm somewhat depressed because I have a level of self-hatred that is the result of my conclusinos. I'm an American (and also a human) and I'm part of the problem, although I'd like to be part of the solution, but I doubt little old me could get America to become a great humanitarian. This is also the cause of my disgust towards waste and over-consumption. I try to consume as little as possible, not taking more than I need. But my choices are limited by the systems society uses. Efficiency and decreased consumption aren't choices because of capitalism. Too much money is made off of consumption. Thus, innovation towards efficiency is stifled to maintain the status quo and greed-driven level of profit.

The simple fact that evil and immoral practices dominate society is further proof that humans are evil. That's not to judge the level of morality of an individual human such as you or I... but one's political support is also an indicator. Any support of groups that support immoral practices is immoral. It's kind of like Bush's policy on terrorism. You are either with us (good) or against us. You said you support the war in Iraq in another thread. That's an evil and immoral act. Somehow you justify that by some warped line of reasoning because you don't seem terribly conflicted with your support. (I don't mean to jump to false conclusions, so forgive me if I'm wrong).

Oh well, I've gone off on a long tangent. I guess this particular issue struck a nerve with me as it is only part of a larger issue in my eyes. Instead of finding a humane way to solve the problem of overpopulated animals, Arnold has chosen to just cut the program and save money (which is pittance in the grand scheme of California's budget crisis). It may be a minor issue, but it is certainly reflective of the man's character. He's evil. Plain and simple. But that's to be expected from a Republican (all present company included). Yes, other solutions may cost more money, but life often involves making sacrifices. It's apparant from his cancelation of the car tax that he can't ask rich people to "sacrifice" in order to increase revenue; so he chooses to sacrifice those who can't stand up for themselves.... the weak. Not only is Arnold evil for making that choice, he's a ****ing chicken****. Dogs and cats have no voice. He's too much of a ****ing ***** to stand up to rich California residents, so he chooses to enact a policy that will kill thousands and thousands of animals rather than to ask Californians to burden what... a few dollars per person to support another solution? Californians will probably waste more money on gambling losses than it would take to help out those animals.

But I guess I'm a crackpot because I pity innocent animals. Silly me.

BTW, animals have more sentience and awareness than a ****ing fetus... yes... a little baby is an innocent... but not some mass of cells incapable of thought. That pretty much covers your abortion strawman that I detected in one of your posts.

[Az]

Seek help.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Azazel
In our city, No-kill shelters don't kill. The government Veterinarian does.

But after a certain point, no-kill shelters will send animals to a shelter that does kill.

BTW, not all animal shelters that do kill, kill all their animals. My mother adopted a saluki from a shelter that had had him for a year and a half. The shelter decided he was too magnificent an animal to put down. Egan was a very wonderful dog too. If I can ever convince Bunnygrrl to let me have a dog, I want another saluki.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
it's about deciding whether keeping animals that will be put down anyway alive for an extra few days on the taxpayer's dime makes sense or not.

Makes more sense than another aircraft carrier or nuclear bomb.

[Az]

That's the point, Che, that doesn't happen.