Why isn't this piracy?

[Arrian]

Ok, what happened in SA with Maize?

If the GM crops cannot reproduce, how do they destroy the natural crops?

-Arrian

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by General Ludd
otherwise the issue would just fade away into obscurity.

As it should.

[child of Thor]

Q cubed - i did a stick out tongue smilie, i just found your sentence with myth+true together interesting thats all
And i did actually say 'most' not 'all' in an earlier post. I think the scope for abuse in the GM thing is too great to take a chance on the good nature of big corps.

And Arrian yes - Friends of the Earth are pretty radicall it was the first link i could think of for info on GM. their info is well meant and balanced with a more scientific site(we have the argo minestry over here), you can find all the dangers you should be aware off

And the Maize stuff in Sth America happend a couple of months ago i think - i first read it on the bbc website(it will be inthe archive i guess), then i followed some links from there(friends of the earth being one of them).

I dont know how the speices got mixed up, the article was quite good though and had links to more scientific stuff

I'm just an armchair gardener at present(i have grown food in the past though), and my knowledge of GM/agri has just led me to beleive i need to be concerned about it, keep an eye on what the companies are trying to slip in quietly through the back door. And i'm only half joking about all becoming slaves if GM were to take over world food production

maybe link to maize problem this is in Mexico though, but it sounds a liitle like what i remember?

again i just used a simple google to get the link and have never seen this article before, so no idea if good or bad - but the message i think is one of caution.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by child of Thor
If there are any left? The case in South America destroyed Maize production of native naturaly grown speices - the only way back for them is to rip up all the maize(wild/farmed) and bring in uncontaminated crops from else where - a huge logistical problem, one that the country could ill afford. Or carry on being dependant on the supply of GM each season.

Huh? Just replant, using normal seeds. Are you seriously saying ALL sources of non-GM crops will go away?

[child of Thor]

edit: crazy poly bug crash thing

[child of Thor]

I think this is the problem - no one is really sure, the case (in mexico it might have been?) i was remembering had the additional complications that because of the native plant contamination - to be sure of getting it out of the food chain, it would require the destruction of ALL the current present crops, wild and farmed. If a contaminated crop was left it could have started the process all over again and then back to square one.

this is one of the main points - the big agri companies put a hell of alot of pressure on farmers/governments to get this GM **** out in the fields, but not enough has been done IMHO to ensure the safty of such a policy. Mexica/South Amercia(and others no doubt in poor countires) show us examples of where this can go very badly wrong.

All i know is i will fight tooth and nail, politicaly and if need be with force, to keep my land free from this stuff - we dont really need it, and i want my children to grow up able to provide the bare neccesities for life if need be, i wont sell them into servitude through complacency.

My line is rather hard core on this - but for me being able to produce my own food for free with natures blessing is the most basic of rights i demand, as my forefathers had before me.

[RGBVideo]

Dear gates, not the GM debate again. Didn't we already had a thread about this where most (if not all) these points about this debate were argued about?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Arrian
Ok, what happened in SA with Maize?

If the GM crops cannot reproduce, how do they destroy the natural crops?

-Arrian

I'd assume cross pollination. They obviously aren't going to outbreed them.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by child of Thor
I think this is the problem - no one is really sure, the case (in mexico it might have been?) i was remembering had the additional complications that because of the native plant contamination - to be sure of getting it out of the food chain, it would require the destruction of ALL the current present crops, wild and farmed. If a contaminated crop was left it could have started the process all over again and then back to square one.

If a contaminated crop survived, then there would be no problem, because it could reproduce in the first place.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by child of Thor
All i know is i will fight tooth and nail, politicaly and if need be with force, to keep my land free from this stuff - we dont really need it, and i want my children to grow up able to provide the bare neccesities for life if need be, i wont sell them into servitude through complacency.

My line is rather hard core on this - but for me being able to produce my own food for free with natures blessing is the most basic of rights i demand, as my forefathers had before me.

Thus, you're an extreme luddite. Good to know...

[Aeson]

Not everyone has participated in every debate VJ. If it's so boring to you just don't participate. (I think the "not x topic again, haven't we already argued this." post has been made before anyways )

[GePap]

We can feed the whole world today without GM crops.

Though I am not opposed to them, they aren't necessary.

[Aeson]

We need GM crops with opposable digits and a propensity towards violence. We've been killing plants so long, it's time to make the fight a little more fair...

[Q Classic]

All i know is i will fight tooth and nail, politicaly and if need be with force, to keep my land free from this stuff - we dont really need it, and i want my children to grow up able to provide the bare neccesities for life if need be, i wont sell them into servitude through complacency.

My line is rather hard core on this - but for me being able to produce my own food for free with natures blessing is the most basic of rights i demand, as my forefathers had before me.

well, then, allow me to retort.

All i know is i will fight tooth and nail, politically and if need be with force, to ensure that technological and scientific advance is never halted - we need it, and i want my children to grow up wth the best of everything, i won't let their lives be shortchanged because some short-sighted person was afeared of some of that newfangled technowizardry and put a stop to it.

My line is very hard core on this - but for me being able to live in an era of enormous and unfettered progress of information is the most basic of rights i demand, as so few of my forefathers had before me.

[Kuciwalker]