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hmm. in light of this information I support a pre-emptive attack on Canada.Originally posted by St Leo
Originally posted by The diplomat
Al Queda had plans to attack. so what?
The Canadian military has plans for attacking the US. So what?
Actually I supported this attack before this information.Comment
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Just try it.
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Where did the Lord God thing come from?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Am I the only one who sees the oxymoron in "Putin reveals intelligence...".
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Apparently you've made the mistake of only reading headlines. The U.S. State Department had no knowledge of this intelligence. Sirotnikov already addressed that I believe:Originally posted by johncmcleod
I'm going to point out the obvious. Russia says they told us about these terrorist plans, the US says they didn't. Obviously someone is lying. Now I don't see why the US would deny knowledge of these plans.
Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Yes, we all know that every info, especially sensitive intelligence is awlays passed only through the State Dept. because it is such a non-beaurocratic body which never leaks to the press, and has high clearance.This seems to completely ignore 1991. I think our utter decimation of his military plus 12 years of crippling sanctions, no-fly zones, and intermittent bombings gave him plenty of reason to hate us.Originally posted by johncmcleod
But I really don't think Saddam hates us. After all, we supported the Baathist coup that put him in power, gave Saddam plenty of support and weapons and allowed US corporations to sell him chemicals for WMD.
Er, al-Qaeda is absolutely a Sunni organization, as are most terrorist groups operating against the U.S. (Don't mention Hezbollah, I said 'operating against the U.S.' for a reason.)Originally posted by johncmcleod
And the terrorists that attack the US do so because of religious reason. They are usually radical Shiites.
Terrorism is merely a tool; it does NOT need to have religious motivations.Originally posted by johncmcleod
He is a secular sunni and probably has very little devotion to his religion anyway. Saddam is the opposite of Osama bin Laden, and Saddam is an enemy to any radicalist terrorist such as ObL.
If he was so rational and bent on mere survival, why didn't he withdraw from Kuwait then in the first Gulf War? He had to think either A) we wouldn't be willing to fight despite going through all the expense of mobilizing half a million men or B) Iraq would win if we did attack. Neither of these are rational conclusions.Originally posted by johncmcleod
And even if, for no apparent reason, Saddam made an unprovoked attack on the US, it would just give Bush the perfect excuse to invade Iraq. Saddam would get flattened, and America would have the world's support. Saddam is a bad guy but he is rational and he isn't suicidal.Last edited by Darius871; June 20, 2004, 04:49.Comment
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The fact that no one in the US government has provided any support whatsoever to the Russian claims when, if true, they would a big political boost to Bush means that they're pretty clearly the kind of BS that we should expect from Putin.Stop Quoting BenComment
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Of course I'm taking this with a grain of salt; don't get me wrong. I just responded to his claim that the U.S. was monolithically denying this.Last edited by Darius871; June 20, 2004, 04:43.Comment
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If the Whitehouse is not jumping on this does that mean that Bush is not a "patholical liar"? Surely if he was he would use this questionable information for political benefit. The left cannot have it both ways. Perhaps Bush is not really the scum of the earth. Maybe the terrorists themselves have some responsibility for this so called war on terror. I know that is a radical thought but I thought I would throw it out for discussion...Comment
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I don't believe Bush is a pathological liar. I believe he's prone to lie as a rational means to an end. Assuming that Putin's claims are bull****, Dubyah may figure the backlash when it's exposed will be worse than the gains from jumping on it know.
Replace "Dubyah" with "the grey mandarins behind his throne", if you prefer.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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[Talkshow host mode]It doesn't matter if he lies or not, just as long as he doesn't lie about something important as oral sex!*drum roll*[/Talkshow host mode]Comment
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Originally posted by johncmcleod
I'm going to point out the obvious. Russia says they told us about these terrorist plans, the US says they didn't.
No, a State department official said the State department hadn't received anything...Comment
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I heard about this. Since Iraq was indeed planning TERRORIST attacks against America, then we had every right to invade them. End of Story.
Though I think Bush is a liar and a buffon for not showing us this information until now. This chemical weapons BS is quite a diaster for him now.
This doesn't mean I like Bush any better, but at least the War on Iraq makes some more sense. Obviously it is better to draw out the enemy against our soldiers in the Middle East instead of in our streets against our citizens. I thought his unsubstantiated claims of ties to Iraq and terrorism, and Iraq and Chemical Weapons, made this war look pretty pointless, and his percieved constant lying lost any faith I had in him.
Either way, Bush is a terrible leader."Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​Comment
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How is it different from Saddam planning a conventional attack?Originally posted by Thorn
I heard about this. Since Iraq was indeed planning TERRORIST attacks against America, then we had every right to invade them. End of Story."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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Because you don't just plan terrorist attacks against other countries unless you plan on actually attacking them.How is it different from Saddam planning a conventional attack?
Give me an example of a nation planning a terrorist attack that didn't intend on doing it."Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​Comment
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