Discussion on the Goblet of Fire, Severus Snape

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Um... GINNY! It's so obvious... especially since Harry really notices Ginny for the first time in OoTP. She's kind of like Lilly in that she is very confident and won't take crap. Also we can surmise that she is very attractive since a lot of guys want to date her. And finally, it makes perfect sense in the respect that what Harry always wanted was family and the Weasley's have been the closest thing to that... what would be better than actually being part of the family by blood!

/me agrees with teh Imran

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Anyway here is an interesting article on Mugglenet about this passage, which provides a TOTALLY different answer :

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt15.shtml

It also banks on arguments made by others that the Death Eaters named at the end of GoF aren't ALL the DE's in the circle. This argument also says that Snape was one of the unnamed DE's, but I don't buy that.

I read North Tower too. Great column. I think a lot of the columns on Mugglenet are pretty weak, but NT is an exeption.

Snape, IMO, was definitely not there as a DE. Dumbledore gives Snape that speech in the OP well after Harry gets back. So I seriously doubt that Snape was there. So that means he must be the one that "left forever."

I've been rereading OotP tonight, and there's definitely a lot of stuff about Snape, but it's just in passing references and dialogue; there's no real memorable scene, and you don't find out anything about what he's up to. What I presume happened was that Snape returned to Voldemort a little after the graveyard encounter, and used Occlumency to convince Voldemort that he had not deserted him.

[Essayo]

Thank god there are some people who are actually seriously interested in HP. Anyway, what has been bothering me for a few years is..... in SS Snape is confronting Quirrel all over the place and asking him where his allegiances lie etc - all the while little old voldie is on the back of Quirrels head....he must have heard everything. This is why i think that Snape is the one who voldemort thinks has left forever, because he knows what Snape was trying to do in SS.
I could be wrong, but yeah thats what i gathered from it

[Imran Siddiqui]

So that means he must be the one that "left forever."

Or the faithful servent. Dumbledore and Snape may have been playing the game for a while. But I think Snape is the left forever guy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Essayo
Thank god there are some people who are actually seriously interested in HP. Anyway, what has been bothering me for a few years is..... in SS Snape is confronting Quirrel all over the place and asking him where his allegiances lie etc - all the while little old voldie is on the back of Quirrels head....he must have heard everything. This is why i think that Snape is the one who voldemort thinks has left forever, because he knows what Snape was trying to do in SS.
I could be wrong, but yeah thats what i gathered from it

That would make obvious sense. Wonder why I forgot.

[Arrian]

How many books have come out at this point. I've read 1 - 3. Don't think I got around to 4 yet.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

5

[Arrian]

Hmm, note to self: get book 4 from library.

Good stuff, HP. I think a lot of people have a kneejerk reaction to it as either a) kiddie stuff; b) like Tolkein and therefore crap because they don't like Tolkein; or c) unlike Tolkein and therefore crap because Tolkein is God.

-Arrian

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Anyway here is an interesting article on Mugglenet about this passage, which provides a TOTALLY different answer :

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt15.shtml

It also banks on arguments made by others that the Death Eaters named at the end of GoF aren't ALL the DE's in the circle. This argument also says that Snape was one of the unnamed DE's, but I don't buy that.

That article is dumb. The person doesn't even seem to realize that the History of Magic teacher is a ghost.

ACK!

[East Street Trader]

My impression is that the characters and the idea is running out of steam.

There will be the same problem for Rowling as there was for Conan Doyle - her public will be unwilling for her to stop feeding their appetite.

But I would not bank on too much more. She would not be human if she was not starting to wonder if the stories do not perhaps add up to something a bit more than amusing and mildly querky. In which case she won't want to write the whole thing into irredeemable mediocrity.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Thank god there are some people who are actually seriously interested in HP. Anyway, what has been bothering me for a few years is..... in SS Snape is confronting Quirrel all over the place and asking him where his allegiances lie etc - all the while little old voldie is on the back of Quirrels head....he must have heard everything. This is why i think that Snape is the one who voldemort thinks has left forever, because he knows what Snape was trying to do in SS.
I could be wrong, but yeah thats what i gathered from it

*slaps head* OF COURSE! Essayo, you make a great point which I think makes Snape be the one who has left forever, without a doubt.

[Drake Tungsten]

Why are you guys so confident that Snape is on Dumbledore's side? The old man could be wrong, you know. Snape could very well be Voldemort's "most faithful servant"...

[Imran Siddiqui]

He could, but Dumbledore is also one of the world's best Legilimans. Even though Snape is also a good one, I think Dumbledore is better at it, and thus is better able to read Snape's mind. That, or the Veritaserum could tell which side Snape was on. I don't think Dumbledore blindly trusts Snape.

[Drake Tungsten]

That's what would make it such a delicious twist...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well if that happens, Snape had better kill Dumbledore, because seeing a pathetic, horribly wrong Dumbledore wouldn't work .

I can't see it happen anyway, though, because if Snape was actually loyal to the Dark Lord, he could have captured Harry SOOOOO many different times and brought him to Voldemort.