Discussion on the Goblet of Fire, Severus Snape

[Jaguar]

Snape is clearly not the "most faithful servant."

We know for a fact that Barty Crouch Jr is not in the circle, but he is a DE, and he has obviously been helping Voldemort for almost a year. He obviously can't have been the one who was too cowardly to return, nor is he the one who has left forever, and he's not dead either, so by simple logic he must be the most faithful servant. And remember, you discover Crouch Jr. after the graveyard scene.

So the plot twist with the most faithful servant has already been done. There can be no further argumentation about it.

[Drake Tungsten]

Just because Crouch Jr. was a faithful servant doesn't make him the most faithful servant.

[Jaguar]

He wasn't at the circle, because he was at Hogwarts.

There were six missing spots. Three were for dead people, one was for the faithful servant, one was for the coward, and one was for the one Voldemort believes left him forever.

You've gotta pick one for Crouch, and only one makes sense.

[Solver]

I don't think that Snape was asked to go mess with Voldemort again, or that he works as a double agent now. This is because from the end of book 5:

Spoiler:

When Harry & Co are at the shelves with prophecies, a group of Death Eaters appears. Not all of them, probably, but I'm sure that if Voldemort had Snape among his men, he would want Snape to go there too.

Also, another thing about book 5, major spoiler:

Spoiler:

Sirius doesn't die from Bellatrix's spell. He falls over into that arch, and that's when he presumably dies - actually, disappears. Dumbledore later calls that room the Chamber of Death. So, they're studying death there. I'm sure that the archway will play a role in 6 and/or 7. It must be somehow connected with either the world of the dead, or killing everyone who passes through it, or something similar.

[Jaguar]

Yea. Obviously that room you mention is hugely significant.

[Solver]

Also, remember, in GoF, during the Yule Ball, Dumbledore mentions that he found a strange room, that turned out to be a luxurious bathroom, when he really needed one? And in book 5, Harry himself says: "Dumbledore told me about it at the Yule ball". So, Rawling clearly is going to use that room I mentioned in previous post.

[Jaguar]

The Room of Requirement, I believe it was called.

[GePap]

In terms of grand conspiracy, that would be making Dumbledore the most faithfull servant of Voldemort that ould be the grand kicker.




I do think thought Dumbledore had something to do with Harry surviving- just being shielded by his parent's love is a bit too sentimental.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well Dumbledore did say it formed a magical barrier around him. So perhaps what really happened is that Lilly uttered a spell which protects those who you really love.

[Japher]

Do they have a Defense against the Dark Arts professor that's not cursed or evil in some way?

Yup, Harry

I try not to think to much into the books. However, Snape is not doing something for Voldemory IMO. I think, Snape is using his abilities to find away to dispose of him forever.. deatheaters, the room, etc. no idea what, but it will require Snape to block off all emotion and confront death itself. He did leave forever, as you all could tell, and Serius will be back, Harry will get with Ginny, and Dumbledore will prove to be something far more incredible than we can imagine.

I could really care less, they are fun books... I think I might have to reread 4 and 5 now though... Thanks!

[GePap]

Yes, but shielding the ones you love, and being able to strike back at the attacker-that is a mighty powerful spell-I mean, Mrs. Weasley loves all her kids dearly-does that mean they are immune? obviously not-so it most certainly goes beyond just love...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, but shielding the ones you love, and being able to strike back at the attacker-that is a mighty powerful spell-I mean, Mrs. Weasley loves all her kids dearly-does that mean they are immune? obviously not-so it most certainly goes beyond just love...

Perhaps, but I'm sure a bit part of it was that Lilly died for Harry because of her love; the ultimate sacrifice. Mrs. Weasley is still alive.

Second, the prophecy stated that Harry (or Neville if you want to believe that interpretation ) would be the one who'd stop Voldemort, so I don't think they needed Dumbledore to do anything.

[Japher]

While we "know" that Harry is not the decendent of Slitherin could be the decendent of one of the other house founders? Who was it that SLitherin got mad at and thus left the school over? Also, why did the sorting hat want to put Harry in Slitherin? Why did ne get put in Griffendor? IMO there is something to the history that has to do with the future, and Dumbledore knows what it is, but is doing nothing to let fate play it out. I think Harry's natural skills has something to do with this, and may parseltongue is not something left on him by Voldamort

[monolith94]

I was under the impression that Dumbledore placed an enchantment over the Dursley's house that protects it, but was only able to do so because of his mother's sacrifice. So really, both Lilly and Dumbledore made the enchantment.

Also, you guys are insane if you think that Ginny and Harry are going to wind up together. There's several clear instances in OotP which show how his feelings have been cemented firmly in friend territory. Besides, if Harry was with Ginny, Ron with Hermione, then it'd all be a bit too "big happy family". A bit too convenient, too easy. I don't think Rowling would do that.

Personally, my bet is on Harry ending up with no one by book 7, staying a bachelor. However, I still stand by my theory that if it's anyone, it'll be Luna. By the end of book 5, she's clearly over Ron, and there are quite a number of textual things which make me feel this way.

Don't force me to quote text!!!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Perhaps, but I'm sure a bit part of it was that Lilly died for Harry because of her love; the ultimate sacrifice. Mrs. Weasley is still alive.

Second, the prophecy stated that Harry (or Neville if you want to believe that interpretation ) would be the one who'd stop Voldemort, so I don't think they needed Dumbledore to do anything.

Well, Voldemort is back thought. So either the prophecy was sort of incomplete, or it speaks about stoping him for good (book 7)