D-day. "Greater love has no man than this..."

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The dead and those who suffered have my respect and compassion for them as human beings.

I reserve my admiration and thanks for those who fought for good.

I'd have to agree with that.

Edit for big x-post.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Pekka
KH, your trolls are getting weak. Why don't you just quit it.

It's not a troll if it's true.

If you can see yourself fighting for Hitler because some propaganda film told you to, if you can see yourself deliberately turning a blind eye toward the crimes your society was engaged in, if you can see yourself fighting wholeheartedly for the invasion of neutral country after neutral country then you might want to consider taking a long hard look at yourself.

[monkspider]

I think there were a lot of honorable solidiers in the German and Japanese ranks too, especially considering what great odds they fought against.

And regardless of how evil the old men controlling their government may have been, they will always have my infinite respect.

[Pekka]

KH, so what does that have to do with my country anyway?

[KrazyHorse]

The period from 1940-1991 springs to mind.

[Pekka]

Uh?

[notyoueither]

91? Did Ronnie have extra helpers?

[KrazyHorse]

Let it go. The Finland part is a bit of a troll. Still rooted in truth.

As for the rest, I'm dead serious.

[notyoueither]

I know, but it was funny. Haha. Right?

[Pekka]

Still rooted in truth?

[Al B. Sure!]

should we remember and honor Soviet soldiers?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I know, but it was funny. Haha. Right?

I xposted with you...

[monkspider]

I think that no matter how utterly immoral and evil something is, the government and media can always spin it into seeming like a good thing. In fact, it continues to this very day.

I'm sure most of the German and Japanese soldiers simply thought that they were fighting for their countries survival, and that they were the good guys. I don't think that most of them really perceived of being on the wrong side. They were fighting a just, defensive war against outside aggressors. I think that regardless of anything else, to give your life for something greater than yourself is an honorable way to die. The German and Japanese soldiers who did so should be remembered for their courage.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
should we remember and honor Soviet soldiers?

Remember? All of them. Honour? Depends what they died doing. Kicking the **** out of the Wehrmacht, yes. Maintaining an iron grip on Eastern Europe for the next 35 years? No.

[Pekka]

AS, I honor soviet soldiers as well. And they invaded us, leaving 400 000 homeless etc etc. They were fed propaganda too. But unlike KH, I do think that propaganda is a powerful tool and really can mess up peoples heads to think stuff genuinely. So why hold grudges, there's no point and at the end they were forced to do it too. So as far as them fighting us, their soldiers should be respected the same time as well. They have fallen in here not necessarily having anything against us but forced to go along. So they are as much heroes, victims and human as everyone else in that field. They were doing their job.