D-day. "Greater love has no man than this..."

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
To all those who gave their lives on D Day, including Germans

or

To think that an American would equate the bravery and just cause of Allied troops with those who perpetuated and defended one of the most evil regimes in history.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Included for accuracy. There really was little or no difference between the behaviour of Wehrmacht and SS troops. That is well documented.

Hmm. Canadian troops and historians would not agree with you.

Yes the regular Germans were tenacious and to be treated with respect.

The hate came out with certain units of the SS though. Hitler Jugend (sp?) in particular. The term take no prisoners has been used.

[Drake Tungsten]

To think that an American would equate the bravery and just cause of Allied troops with those who perpetuated and defended one of the most evil regimes in history.

or

To think that someone who defends one of the most evil regimes of today would be hypocritical enough to get upset by that.

[KrazyHorse]

The difference is that between the weak and the evil.

Not that Wehrmacht units were completely innocent, but there was certainly a marked difference in the overall behaviour.

[Alexander's Horse]

You are only talking about one little corner of the war NYE - the Wehrmacht were up to their neck in atrocities all over Europe.

Similarly the Afrika Corps was well behaved - but so what? You think if they had been sent to Russia they would have behaved any different from the rest?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

To think that an American would equate the bravery and just cause of Allied troops with those who perpetuated and defended one of the most evil regimes in history.

or

To think that someone who defends one of the most evil regimes of today would be hypocritical enough to get upset by that.

Indeed. Defenders of Mr GW Bush should be ashamed of themselves.

[notyoueither]

You kicked this off with a reference to Canadian families and an SS slaughter, Horse.

I'm telling you that Canadians who know about it by and large feel no real grief with the average Germans of that day, but we do hope for a special place in hell for the German leadership and the SS (along with a few others).

[Drake Tungsten]

Indeed. Defenders of Mr GW Bush should be ashamed of themselves.

Classic UR.

[Alexander's Horse]

Well I don't feel any malice towards Germans who died either and I do pity them.

But I don't see them as just the same as the allied dead. The allied dead died in a just cause. The German dead died for an evil one.

[notyoueither]

Nor do I. But the civilians and the dead kids from their side are also part of the price of Liberty.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

To think that an American would equate the bravery and just cause of Allied troops with those who perpetuated and defended one of the most evil regimes in history.

or

To think that someone who defends one of the most evil regimes of today would be hypocritical enough to get upset by that.

A classic Drake troll. His racist hatred of China knows no bounds.

China has never started a world war. China has not committed genocide.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You kicked this off with a reference to Canadian families and an SS slaughter, Horse.

I'm telling you that Canadians who know about it by and large feel no real grief with the average Germans of that day, but we do hope for a special place in hell for the German leadership and the SS (along with a few others).

Who are you to speak for Canadians?

Edit: Talking about German civillians is completely different than talking about the Germans who fought in the war.

[notyoueither]

I am am one, butthump. What about you?

[Tingkai]

There are Canadians vets who hold no malice towards the Germans, but there are also vets who do not forgive them. Don't presume to talk for them.

[Patroklos]

Considering the complete lack of accurate knowledge both KH and AH have showed in general here, I can't really hold you accontable for your mistaken impression of those events.

1. There was not a single major SS formation on the beaches on D-Day. Three Divisions arrived several days to weeks afterward.

3. All SS and Heer members were not volunteers. Germany had mandatory service before the war and conscripted most after it started. As for the SS, whole division of the armywere transfered wholesale from the Heer. It was a normal trend as the Waffen SS grew and especially as they were attrited. Officers suffered this especially.

4. SS units varied widely in makup, ethnicity, operational theatres, quality, and equipment. Treating all of them the same is extremely ignorant.

5. The Wehrmacht had foreign troops as well, in fact many times more.

6. If you were a Lithuanian, Ukranian, or Finn then the good side for you was who ever was fighting the Russians.

7. Nobody fights as hard and courageously for a cause to the degree the Germans did unless they truly believe they are right or are bieng forced too. Can't fault someone for fighting for what he believes (I know this is alien to some of you homebodies who live as parasites off these people) or someone who had no choice. Right and wrong are relative, no matter how obvious some situations might seem.

Included for accuracy. There really was little or no difference between the behaviour of Wehrmacht and SS troops. That is well documented.

Not at all, and once again this is your attempt to bundle concepts you can't understand into easily labeld packages. Germans WWII = Mass Murderers. True in many individual cases, not in most. Documentation does not show this in the slightest. This is a troubleing trend in history where liberal "popular" historians write history how they want it to be, without documentation. The fact is that for forty years of historical work right after the war, when veterans were still alive and hard evidence still available, came to the opposite conclusion AH. You want WWII to fit your ideological outlook, so you made them all evil. And you know what, that is easier for people to digest so they believe it.

Tell that to the families of the 100 Canadian prisoners slaughtered by an SS unit in Normandy.

This was a single incident in Normandy that you are talking about, and there was a similar one in the Ardennes with the Americans. There are many more. Horrible. But that is all you ever hear about. It is common fact in the historical community that Germany was not the worst at killing prisoners in WWII (Western Front). Americans and Brits were notorious for killing POWs, because after all they were just stinking Nazis (aren't there two people here that have the same opinion?). Who was #1? Canadians.

There was little differance in the day to day operations of the Armies in WWII concerning POW killing and civilian abuses on the Western Front. Germans did puncuate that with attrocities, which they have paid for to the degree we are able too achieve. But don't think we were clean in any way, or that the majority of the German behavior was in any way abnormal to the militaries of the time.