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  • #31
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    Elitism based on intellect
    We're talking about things like music and literature, which are unabashedly subjective, so it's not based on intellect.

    You've said it yourself, it's based on popularity. The "cultured" people like what's popular (seeing as they have survived filtering down through history ).

    If the "cultured" people were as smart as they say they are, they'd know that bringing down others for being "non-cultured" because they don't share the same interests is stupid...
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zero
      Well... OK, some raps show genuine talent, depth and emotion.

      The vast majority that I hear are genuinely crap.
      Vast majority of any genre i hear are crap talent wise.

      You dont have to have talent to make a good song, but yeah most rappers are crap just like most rock bands are crap and most pianists are crap. some show genuine talent, depth and emotion
      Agreed.
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      • #33
        The concept of "culture" as put by Asher is generally a way for the upper-class people (in the broadest meaning: it is not purely a question of money) to distinguish themselves from the common man, and feel superior.

        Actually, every form of culture wishes to be elitist. L33t H4xx0rz will consider the people who don't share their cultural values as l4m3rZ; lefty pinkoes will consider those who don't share the folklore (clothes, music...) to be sheepish bourgeois; cowboys will consider non-cowboys as "tenderfeet" (this is the English word, right?), etc.

        The main difference when it comes to the upper class' "culture", is that the upper class is very efficient at forcing its values to the other subcultures. Nobody here considers himself a l4m4, a sheepish bourgeois, or a tenderfoot. That's because we weren't exposed to these subcultures prejudices toward non-members.

        However, we were exposed to the upper class' predjudices toward non members, hence some of us feeling "uncultured" by these standards.
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        • #34
          It's not that we feel uncultured, it's that some people on high horses are handing out "uncultured" as a form of insult to people.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #35
            I think its primarily an age/generational issue more than a class issue.

            Thoughts on my prior analysis?
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            • #36
              Actually, Spiff, the thread exists for Asher to whine about being labelled uncultured by Molly Bloom in a music thread.

              -Arrian
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              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #37
                "Snob" comes to mind to describe people who call others uncultured.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  It's not that we feel uncultured, it's that some people on high horses are handing out "uncultured" as a form of insult to people.
                  Just like L33t H4x0rZ call others "l4m4z", just like cowboys call others "tenderfeet", etc.
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #39
                    Ozzy,

                    You really have a burr up your butt about this whole "ageism" thing.

                    It works two ways. Kids, particularly in the immediate pre-teen and teen years, have a strong tendency towards arrogance - a "I know everything, you're an idiot" mindset. I know this because I and my friends all had it at the age, to varying degrees. How could our parents be SO dumb, out of style, etc?

                    The natural adult reaction to that is mild scoffing. Which seems to really get at you.

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Arrian
                      Actually, Spiff, the thread exists for Asher to whine about being labelled uncultured by Molly Bloom in a music thread.
                      Thanks for the correction

                      I thought he was whining about Agathon.

                      But this whole "uncultured" thing is actually a very interesting topic. I did some research about it for a Uni paper about geek culture, and I've seen many interesting ideas.
                      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                      • #41
                        I'm not young enough to know everything anymore.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Spiffor
                          Just like L33t H4x0rZ call others "l4m4z", just like cowboys call others "tenderfeet", etc.
                          Precisely.

                          And to take it a step further, the people who proclaim themselves to be "l33t h4x0rZ" are anything but usually. It's a status thing they want, and that's it.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Caligastia
                            I'm not young enough to know everything anymore.
                            Yup.

                            Asher is, though.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Arrian
                              Yup.

                              Asher is, though.

                              -Arrian
                              It's not that I know everything, it's just that I know more than everyone else.

                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #45
                                The prosecution rests.

                                -Arrian
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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