Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" gets US release date - June 25

[Atahualpa]

* DinoDoc refuses to continue argueing with Atahualpa because it's going to be a long and frustrating conversation with a brick wall.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
On a side note, Moore made an interview with that Berg guy in Iraq before he was kidnapped and beheaded.

It was not included in this movie, though, and he has agreed with the family not to show it anywhere else.

That's strange, because Michael Berg Hates America, too.

[Provost Harrison]

On my birthday

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The point is that no matter what the loony left says this is in no way censorship.

Do you know for a fact that Moore does not have any kind of contractual obligations with Miramax for this film?

[Kropotkin]

Just saw the film's trailer. Let me put it this way; the film will hardly leave its audience unaffected.

Could this so called censorship-debate be any more predictable and boring? Yes, it can hardly be seen as censorship as it's not the state that tried to stop the film. But one the other hand, isn't it quite obvious that the company tried to stop the film for its message, not depending on its profitability? Shouldn't this be a case for concern? M. Moore's film will get out, but he's famous (the top of an ice berg?). Isn't the cultural and political debate quite bland and boring if only 'safe' films and documentaries are distributed?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by General Ludd


That's strange, because Michael Berg Hates America, too.

He's a wierd one. Am I the only one that finds his conviction that the murderers admired his son as they were sawing his head off a little on the cuckoo side of things.

[Atahualpa]

Isn't the cultural and political debate quite bland and boring if only 'safe' films and documentaries are distributed?

I agree, that's exactly the point I was trying to explain?

es, it can hardly be seen as censorship as it's not the state that tried to stop the film.

Read some definitions of censoring and censorship. Nowhere does it say that the state has to play any role.
From Merriam-Webster Online:

One entry found for censorship.
Main Entry: cen·sor·ship
Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r-"ship
Function: noun
1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring b : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively
2 : the office, power, or term of a Roman censor
3 : exclusion from consciousness by the psychic censor

and on censoring:

One entry found for censor.
Main Entry: 2censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing /'sen(t)-s&-ri[ng], 'sen(t)s-ri[ng]/
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable

What we have here is the attempt to suppress objectionable information. Why is it so ridiculous to call it censorship?

[DinoDoc]

/me decides to try talking with the brick wall

Why exactly do you feel that I should put out your movie (to use you as an example) if I really don't want to?

[Atahualpa]

Just saw the film's trailer. Let me put it this way; the film will hardly leave its audience unaffected.

I hope it will stand up to its reputation. Bowling for Columbine did touch me a lot. Especially those scenes from the Highschool massacre. It was real. I remeber I was close to crying in cinema, half angered and half sad. Who doesnt wish he could have been there to pump those idiots full with lead? Half of me certainly wished I could. I was too frightened to watch it a second time, knowing that I couldnt escape those extreme feelings again.

Anyway, also Marylin Manson made good points in the interview.
Though at some point it felt like an advertising movie for canada. He could have toned that down a bit.

Nevertheless I think I gave it 9/10 on imdb.

[Kropotkin]

I'd say that "Roger & Me" is better than "Bowling for Columbine". Sure, it has an obvious bias like all his productions. But as I see it, a bias is usually much more controlled when you work with a somewhat more limitied subject than violence in america or the US foreign policy under Walker Texas Ranger (in the case of "Roger & Me", the effects of the actions of GM in the city of Flint).

[Atahualpa]

Why exactly do you feel that I should put out your movie (to use you as an example) if I really don't want to?

Why do you relate this to yourself?
You are not important and you have no influence. You have no control and no power.

Disney on the other hand has and its not so much "doesnt matter" anymore with them. The bigger a company becomes and the more power it has, the more responsibility it has and the more it should act for a "common good" than solely for their own good. I think big companies have some kind of educational responsibility and the more pluralistic such an education is the better. The more they try to show you just one option, the worse.
Thats my opinion and I think thats a bearable disadvantage for big companies.

Of course this is hard to put into laws and I probably dont want it that way. I just feel its not good if you have power and influence that you try to steer the waggon all your way, thats not democratic.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Why do you relate this to yourself?

Thanks for reminding me why I said I'd stop this line of conversation earlier.

[East Street Trader]

I was also touched by Bowling for Columbine.

But when I learned about the bald lies it contains I was annoyed.

An annoyance substantially deepened by Moore's hideously two faced justification.

He is a creep and I decline to be manipulated by him again.

[Atahualpa]

Thanks for reminding me why I said I'd stop this line of conversation earlier.

Dont blame me, if you fail to make a point. I have made good points yet, you just troll around.

[Kropotkin]

Btw, why don't you go and see the trailer at the films website ? Bush is the obvious star as usual.

There's two scenes I find particulary funny. First, there's the scene where he's holding a speech for the club of the filthy rich (or something) in toxcito and all and says "some call you the elite, I call you my base.". And base translated into arabic is? (if it's a intented joke, it's great. If it's not....). The other one is the last scene where Bush stands on the golf course, speaking out against terrorists and ends it all with "now watch this drive!" (something for Ming I guess)