Star TreK Enterprise

[GePap]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


I'm not saying it's not realistic...I'm saying it's bad story writing. Having a bunch of characters in the credits, give them their own episodes to star in, and then write them off a few eps later. It doesn't help the viewer to really get into the characters, since most leave before we get a chance to warm up to them.

B5 was not an episodic show-this is what you don;t get. There was one sngle story-characters had a place in it yes, but there are there to advance a plot bigger than them. So G'Kar had an attache, so what?

Also, some of the changes had no real reason. P5 telepath turning super-telepath Talia got replaced by P5 telepath turning super telepath Lyta. Stupid. (especially after Ironheart-God said he could see everything yet not notice Talia reprogramming)

Actors have lives.

A few episoded prior, a SMALLER fleet commanded by Sheridan did beat the Shadows. Sure, Sheridan lost 2 ships for every Shadow vessel he destroyed, but that's not that bad! The Russian in WW2 lost (I think) more than 5 tanks for every German tank they destroyed (and still won the war).

Actually, it was the same fleet sheridan had, and he beat a much smaller shadoow force than the one at the end. Plus at that point the shadows had not brought out their superweapons.

At least the Shadow War of a 1000 years prior, did cost all the participants dearly. But this time around, the war ended before any real damage was done. I felt less the sense of loss and accomplishment caused by the end of the Shadow War, than by the end of the Dominian War.

Again, you ignore 2 things:

The writers of B5 faced financial constraints those of DS9 did not
Once the first one brought out the planetkillers, for smaler powers it was about either being annahilated or ending the war asap.

In short, they could NOT afford such a war.

[GePap]

On organic ships: hello!

HOw could something "so delicate" survive simple space travel? Also, is bone, which is organic material, "soft and permeable"? Organic does not mean flesh, it means acts alive, which is different.

The nerds at sd.net always like to "use source material" to prove points-well, it took the whole firepower one Narn heavy cruiser and a white star to take out a moderate size Shadow vessel-hmm, yeah, that sounds delicate.

Oh, and lest add another thing-ST has far more advanced tech than SW-
1. HIgher levels of AI-look at Data and then R2D2....
2. Full matter-energy conversion. IN trek they have Transporters and replicators-SW does not even come close.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
Not really. Both B5 and ST have aliens far more advanced than individuals in Star Wars. The first ones in B5 are millions of years old, and have technologies such as living ships that are way beyond SW technology if you think about it.

I take it you haven't heard of the NJO series? (Yes, the books really started going downhill from there, but that's beside the point )

My point was that SW was not somehow further away from scientific reality, not that they were more advanced than EVERY civilization.

[Illuminatus]

Star Wars technology is however superior to Star Trek one.

[Lonestar]

Actually, I've heard a theory posited that Shadow Vessels actually use Nanotech extensively, vice biotech.

Data would be unremarkable in SW. He would be a particularly impressive droid, but nothing to write home about.


SW does not have transporters, but they do have "duplicator" technology, which appears to be a rough analog to replicators.

I don't know why you're supporting Transporter tech though. It's a particuarly insidious form of technology, that should be wiped out.


SW Warships have also displayed far greater firepower and shields/armor/countermeasures than any ST ship. Except for the Voth City Ship. (I give props to dino-aliens who can transport entire ships)

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, definately. See the link I posted earlier

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Actually, I've heard a theory posited that Shadow Vessels actually use Nanotech extensively, vice biotech.

In the show they definitelly say organic. Vorlon ships are also organic (they act alive) and they are even tougher than Shadow vessels.

Data would be unremarkable in SW. He would be a particularly impressive droid, but nothing to write home about.

Well, odd, given how stillted and 1930's all the robots look in the movies.

SW does not have transporters, but they do have "duplicator" technology, which appears to be a rough analog to replicators.

What, in the books? Never shown in the movies.

SW Warships have also displayed far greater firepower and shields/armor/countermeasures than any ST ship. Except for the Voth City Ship. (I give props to dino-aliens who can transport entire ships)

Yes, they have, BECUASE the writers of SW could not give a lick about science and thus would do whatever they wanted. That is why SW as a whole is barely sci fi-closer to fantasy. As opposed to ST and B5 were the writers seemed to at least want a minimum of science fact present (more in B5 than ST, but still)

I could write a show tommorrow about en evil empire with 6 trillion ships and each on capable of killing a star..what, then I win this whole sad "who is stronger?" race becuase I pulled something utterly insane out of my ass?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap

Data would be unremarkable in SW. He would be a particularly impressive droid, but nothing to write home about.

Well, odd, given how stillted and 1930's all the robots look in the movies.

His capabilities would not be amazing. And they actually do have humaniform robots in SW.

SW does not have transporters, but they do have "duplicator" technology, which appears to be a rough analog to replicators.

What, in the books? Never shown in the movies.

It's detailed quite extensively in the books. Of course the movies don't show it; it's supposedly the food supply on ships like the Falcon.

Yes, they have, BECUASE the writers of SW could not give a lick about science and thus would do whatever they wanted. That is why SW as a whole is barely sci fi-closer to fantasy. As opposed to ST and B5 were the writers seemed to at least want a minimum of science fact present (more in B5 than ST, but still)

ST has "a minimum of science"

ST goes into greater detail about how their SF works - but all this does is make them look stupider and more contrived.

[Saint Marcus]

ST goes into greater detail about how their SF works - but all this does is make them look stupider and more contrived.

like the count of some certain thingies in one's blood determine how strong the "force" is in that person?

[Kuciwalker]

Episode 1 is not Star Wars.

[Illuminatus]

Likewise Enterprise is not Star Trek then.

[Kuciwalker]

OK, I'm fine with that... doesn't change anything about the SW-ST relationship

[GePap]

The sad fact is that if we go by sd.net nerd levels of "trust the source material", the Commonwealth in Andromeda beats the Empire hands down, since one single Commonwealth ship of the line can blow up 40 star systems. Never having read the books I do now that in SW the second empire or whatever makes another terror weapon that can do just that-but they have only one and its this giant things-as compared to a nice, "simple" nova bombs supposedly small enough to fit into a fighter.....

[Kuciwalker]

And yet we can see the beautiful tactics shown by Dylan... not. They don't seem particularly disposed towards using nova bombs.

Andromeda had no shielding. An ISD would probably disable one in a few salvos.

[DinoDoc]

We're talking about a ship that has withstood having blackholes shot at it. I doubt the ISD weapons would rate as a threat.