Vege

[GePap]

Some bears could do it as well-but I can't think of many other creatures that can do all three.

as for Niche-I associate the word with specialization.

[jomateix]

-delete-

[Whoha]

Guys, stop trying to disuade him, to each his own.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Whoha
Guys, stop trying to disuade him, to each his own.

I don't think anyone was trying to disuade him from being a vegetarian. I certainly wasn't, since I am (practically) one myself.

"To each his own" is indeed the best rationale for any diet.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Whoha
Guys, stop trying to disuade him, to each his own.

who is trying to disuade him? we are arguing against his statements about man inate vegeterianism.

[Az]

more meat for me

[Last Conformist]

What? Are you gonna eat vegetarians?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, who is disuading him? If anything he is trying to disuade US! Why do I care that he eats only veggies? I eat veggies!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap


who is trying to disuade him? we are arguing against his statements about man inate vegeterianism.

Which isn't actually pertinent to my argument at all... which was that of ethical vegitarianism. Not surprisingly all points rellevant to that have been abandoned in favour of made-up arguments and extremities that bare no relation to modern day diets, let alone ethics. Of course, my points about these tangents seem to be ignored just the same, anyways. (as evidenced by everyone conveniently skimming over the correction I made in my last post, saying that I was not arguing humans naturally took a strict vegetarian diet, but a plant-centric omnivore diet which is completely out of context for comparisons to modern meat-eating practicies)

Nobody seems to be actually interested in my argument, but instead are only interested in justifying their own meat-eating to me or in trivialising my stance.


Not that I really care, this is par for the course in discousing vegetarianism with meat-eaters. There's rarely any serious argument - just posturing and taunting. A typicaly dominant-aggressive reaction that suits their choice in diets perfectly.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There's rarely any serious argument - just posturing and taunting. A typicaly dominant-aggressive reaction that suits their choice in diets perfectly.

So you really DO eat meat! Nice to know! (ie, the irony is RICH)

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd
but a plant-centric omnivore diet which is completely out of context for comparisons to modern meat-eating practicies)

Modern meat eating? When does the "modern age" begin for you? 25,000 bc? Your idea of "modern meat eating" seems to be big game hunting-which is not at all modern, and various rather NON-modern societies subsist on eating big game, like whaling at seals in the artic. Now, if you mean the modern American diet driven by mass commercial farming, that is something else.

Nobody seems to be actually interested in my argument, but instead are only interested in justifying their own meat-eating to me or in trivialising my stance.

Your arguments have been a lot of moral assertions, the same things you ridicule from the religious folks here.

Not that I really care, this is par for the course in discousing vegetarianism with meat-eaters. There's rarely any serious argument - just posturing and taunting. A typicaly dominant-aggressive reaction that suits their choice in diets perfectly.

You problem is you ocnflate omnivores with carnivores - interestingly, I asked, would you consider eating insects?

[lord of the mark]

i dont eat any non-kosher species. No pigs, shellfish etc.

Goal is to avoid eating any mammals - would put me in the eats birds category.


First step - dont eat any mammals other than cows or sheep. Dont eat any sheep not slaughtered according to laws of kashrut.

Next step - (not there yet) - dont eat any cows not slaughtered by laws of kashrut.


Its better to avoid killing. Its human nature to eat animals. Ergo, compromises, gradual steps are required. Focus should be first on A. those animals that are closest to us in reasoning, emotion, feeling pain, etc. And when we do eat them, recognizing needs for limits, etc.


Longer term goal - dont eat birds either, but I dont expect to reach that goal.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


Modern meat eating? When does the "modern age" begin for you? 25,000 bc? Your idea of "modern meat eating" seems to be big game hunting-which is not at all modern, and various rather NON-modern societies subsist on eating big game, like whaling at seals in the artic.

last year saw this movie called "the fast runner" about Inuit (it was made by inuit, IIUC) It alternated scenes of jealousy, hatred, and murder within the neolithic band, with scene of hunting, preparing and eating food, exclusively meat and fish. My reaction - "See what happens to people who never eat vegetables!"

BTW - MOST neolithic huntergatherers were more gatherers than hunters, IIUC.

[lord of the mark]

Questioner: did you become a vegetarian for your health?
Isaac Bashevis Singer: No, i became one for the health of the chickens!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap


Modern meat eating? When does the "modern age" begin for you? 25,000 bc? Your idea of "modern meat eating" seems to be big game hunting-which is not at all modern, and various rather NON-modern societies subsist on eating big game, like whaling at seals in the artic. Now, if you mean the modern American diet driven by mass commercial farming, that is something else.

I do mean the 'modern american diet', but obviously it becomes progressively out of context the further along the timescale you move.


Saying that you should hunt, farm, and even industrialise the process of meat eating because 100,000 year ago our ancestors scavanged some meat is pretty nonsensical. (And nevermind that if we use those same ancestors as a model we can justify all sorts of things.)

Your arguments have been a lot of moral assertions, the same things you ridicule from the religious folks here.

I don't think so. Morality is usually the crux of all my arguments. I'm not someone that's going to play semantics to justify things like rape, murder and war, or the motivations behind them. I feel that the notions of dominance, superiority and "might makes right" are unethical. I don't think this is an uncommon position, yet few people apply it to it's full extent. I try to, which is why I am vegetarian.