Homosexual help

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Actually a lot of times it really isn't.

Now it's a triumvirate of apologists.

So how is saying that someone who is stingy is a "Jew" not an insult to Jewish people?

[Imran Siddiqui]

But a lot of times you aren't saying it to people who exibit homosexual characteristics. Like saying, 'don't be gay and take the last soda'. What stereotype does that fit in?

If you call people a "Jew" for anything as a generic insult (like some people I knew in high school) then I'd say it has nothing to do with Judaism. I mean you aren't saying "don't be a member of Jewish religion".

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
But a lot of times you aren't saying it to people who exibit homosexual characteristics. Like saying, 'don't be gay and take the last soda'. What stereotype does that fit in?

Um, it's not about stereotyping, it's about using a group's name as a negative epithet. How is that not insulting to that group?

If you call people a "Jew" for anything as a generic insult (like some people I knew in high school) then I'd say it has nothing to do with Judaism. I mean you aren't saying "don't be a member of Jewish religion".

Don't you see how that is still insulting to Jewish people, using their group name as synonymous with a negative term?

Claiming otherwise is patently disingenuous and just a means of excusing the continued use of slurs against groups in a "stealth" manner.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
But a lot of times you aren't saying it to people who exibit homosexual characteristics. Like saying, 'don't be gay and take the last soda'. What stereotype does that fit in?

The word is derived from meaning homosexual, the fact that society has tolerated it -- and even embraced it -- to be a generic insult is even more insulting.

Something tells me you would not be so agreeable if people said "don't be a paki and take the last soda".

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
"Some gays act feminine because that is part of who they really are."

I'm not surprised that you would not understand that.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
But a lot of times you aren't saying it to people who exibit homosexual characteristics. Like saying, 'don't be gay and take the last soda'. What stereotype does that fit in?

If you call people a "Jew" for anything as a generic insult (like some people I knew in high school) then I'd say it has nothing to do with Judaism. I mean you aren't saying "don't be a member of Jewish religion".

Imran, you're one of the more intelligent posters on here, so I'm thinking once you're informed about something you know little about, you won't cling onto such misnomers.

Using racial, religious, or sex orientation slurs as negative insults -- even when they do not necessarily involve stereotyping is deragatory towards that particular minority group.

[Pax]

Using a word that is considered to describe a group in a negative manner cannot only be damaging to that group but could in time associate that group with the insult you refered to. I.E. if enough people start to believe it becomes true. I'm sure that most stereotypes starting out as opinions of single individuals and grew with time.

[Solly]

"Um, it's not about stereotyping, it's about using a group's name as a negative epithet. How is that not insulting to that group?"

In that case, and if it is widely understood as an insult, then there must be something wrong that that particular group must be doing in order for their main characteristic to be synonomous with an insult.

Anyway this discussion is just gay.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
In that case, and if it is widely understood as an insult, then there must be something wrong that that particular group must be doing in order for their main characteristic to be synonomous with an insult.

Yeah, I'm sure that all minority groups have earned their negative epithets and slurs because of their doing something wrong. Couldn't possibly be because others can be ignorant or bigots, now could it?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Using racial, religious, or sex orientation slurs as negative insults -- even when they do not necessarily involve stereotyping is deragatory towards that particular minority group.

You mean like '******' .

Something tells me you would not be so agreeable if people said "don't be a paki and take the last soda".

I never beat up any of my friends who said that (well, "Don't be such a Paki..." don't know if it was ever about the last Soda ).

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I never beat up any of my friends who said that (well, "Don't be such a Paki..." don't know if it was ever about the last Soda ).

I've never beat up any of my friends for calling things gay either, and that wasn't the idea behind my statement, and I'm sure you know it.

Would you not be the least insulted if the world used "Paki" as the next universal insult?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Nope, not at all. I have thicker skin that other minority members, I guess .

In fact it probably deserves to be the next universal insult.

[Asher]

I'm sorry, but I find it REALLY hard to believe that it wouldn't offend you if:

• White christians constantly protested the right for pakistanis to adopt children
  
• White christians constantly protested the right for pakistanis to marry
  
• People used 'paki' as a general insult

Maybe you just don't understand until it happens to you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Where did #1 and #2 come into this discussion? Is this the patented Asher trick (TM) of talking about one specific thing and then strawmanning out into saying the other person believes things that they haven't been talking about!!

We were talking about #3. Stick to the topic, foo!

[Asher]

#1 and #2 set the preconditions necessary for #3's effect, giving your minority the feel of second-class citizenship status on top of using your minority as a generic insult.