Qaeda Leader Beheads U.S. Civilian in Iraq

[Imran Siddiqui]

Us bugging out from Iraq would be AQ's worst nightmare.

Bull... it'd be their wet dream. Followed by us leaving other places in the ME.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Azazel

They don't want to demoralize us.

uuuuh, I don't know about that. remember the "March against the war" demand?

Wasn't that a different group? The Iraqis want us out. AQ wants us in, to keep the Arabs and Muslim world pissed and easier to recruit.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Enlist then, you chicken****!!!

There are plenty others who'll volunteer to do that sort of stuff who are better for that sort of work .

You mean plenty of poor Blacks and Okies who'll do the job for peanuts and whom your society will abandon once they outlive their use?

[Az]

Yes, leaving a multi-million arab muslim country in the middle of the ME in complete chaos, being a perfect base for recruitment and operations, I mean, Bin Laden will probably hang himself.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Us bugging out from Iraq would be AQ's worst nightmare.

Bull... it'd be their wet dream. Followed by us leaving other places in the ME.

Only if they believe their own lies. They needs us there to continue to recruit. If we leave, the coun try goes Shi'ite theocracy, which would be a defeat for AQ.

[Kuciwalker]

Their goal is to get us out*. That's the entire point. They really don't need the recruiting help. Why the hell would they want us to come in there, just so they could drive us out again?


* though you do have a point in that we were useful in removing Saddam

[Agathon]

How long before FOX airs "When Islamists Attack"?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Only if they believe their own lies. They needs us there to continue to recruit. If we leave, the coun try goes Shi'ite theocracy, which would be a defeat for AQ.

Why would they want to recruit more if they get their main goal of getting the US out accomplished?

This line of argument is as silly as saying the Republicans would rather have had Gore win in 2000, so they could continue to recruit heavily (of course that has no bearing on what Republicans want in 2003/4).

You mean plenty of poor Blacks and Okies who'll do the job for peanuts and whom your society will abandon once they outlive their use?

Yep .

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
It took them about 2 minutes to saw all the way through, but it looked like it took him a minute after the cutting started to finally stop moving his jaw.

Generally, with both carotids and both jugulars severed, shock and blood loss will cause a loss of consciousness in sometime from 20 to 60 seconds. Some of the latter jaw movement may have been reflexive as nerves and connective tissue in the neck were cut.

If the mother****ers took a while cutting before they got to the carotids and jugulars, it'd go on a bit longer, and would be extremely painful for the victim.

[Az]

thank you, doctor.

Oh, and puh-lease, stop with the "recruiting" argument. They have recruits up the wazoo. Have been having them since the 80s.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Their goal is to get us out*. That's the entire point. They really don't need the recruiting help. Why the hell would they want us to come in there, just so they could drive us out again?


* though you do have a point in that we were useful in removing Saddam

If you're talking al Qaeda, their goal is nothing less than imposition of an Islamic world. Read al Qutb and al Maududi.

[chequita guevara]

You are conflating different groups, and forgetting that wnat a group wants and what it says it wants can be two very different things.

If the U.S. leaves, then the Shi'ite militias will take control and establish a Shi'ite theocracy, ala Iran. AQ doesn't want that, they're Sunni and Whabbists. If the U.S. makes Iraq into a functional democracy and pulls out, that's a defeat for AQ, because it will pull the rug out from under their propaganda about the U.S. only there to steal the oil. But when the pictures of the abuse came out, they must have been secretly smiling inside, because they knew that millions of Muslims and Arabs were gonna freak out and want revenge.

Consider the fact that despite the fact that AQ, as an organization, is largely defeated. It leadership is mostly killed or on the run. They have no safe hiding places. And yet their ideology and methods are spreading. The occupation of Iraq infuriates people. It is litterally driving people insane with anger.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Generally, with both carotids and both jugulars severed, shock and blood loss will cause a loss of consciousness in sometime from 20 to 60 seconds. Some of the latter jaw movement may have been reflexive as nerves and connective tissue in the neck were cut.

If the mother****ers took a while cutting before they got to the carotids and jugulars, it'd go on a bit longer, and would be extremely painful for the victim.

Sorry, but because I knew you'd post something like this.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why would they want to recruit more if they get their main goal of getting the US out accomplished?

Again, you are assuming AQ is the same as al-Sadr or the Baathist. AQ's goals are not the same. The allter two want us out of Iraq. The former wants to control the entire Islamic world. They can't achieve their greater goal if they main recruiting tool ceases to exist.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


If you're talking al Qaeda, their goal is nothing less than imposition of an Islamic world. Read al Qutb and al Maududi.

Ultimately, yeah. But they have to get us out first