Troy

[Japher]

Your entire movie opinion is now discredited and can never be used again!

At least you didn't point out Lost In Translation, now that's was some utter crap. how it ever got nominated for Best Movie is beyond me.

[Ramo]

I haven't seen Troy, but I have to agree that O' Brother Where Art Thou is a damn fine film.

The soundtrack is really good too. And Chris Thomas King is a good bluesman.

[Japher]

I loved O' Brother, which probably makes it a bad movie

Which on of the three remind you the most of Sloww?

[Imran Siddiqui]

At least you didn't point out Lost In Translation, now that's was some utter crap. how it ever got nominated for Best Movie is beyond me.

I didn't mention it because you've already showed how much your movie opinions are crap .

Lost in Translation was a wonderful movie. Should have won Best Picture and Bill Murray deserved Best Actor. Utter brilliance!

[Japher]

I didn't mention it because you've already showed how much your movie opinions are crap

You opinions are not only crap, but they are wrong!

At least we can all agree that New York Minute is the best movie of the year so far.

[DinoDoc]

Murray deserved Best Actor for Ghostbusters. Not some role he had in a masterbatory vainity piece put out by a Copala.

[DinoDoc]

Murray deserved Best Actor for Ghostbusters. Not some role he had in a masterbatory vainity piece put out by a Copala.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'm not familiar with greek women. But the one actress portrays a blonde female character.

Is blonde hair common in greece?

And Ebert was complaining about the fight scenes having too many soldiers. He didn't think that was realistic as that many people wouldn't be able to fit in the cities. I'm not sure what time frame this is supposed to be in. But many of those battle only involved thousands of people (less than 100,000). Some spartan battles only had forces of 5000 spartans.

I doubt that true blond/blonde hair was common at the time of the supposed Trojan War, either among the Trojans or the Achaeans. There are several Greek websites that deal (or try to deal) with the idealized rosy pictured romanticized hulking blond Aryan warriors that are a legacy of 19th Century Romanticism and racist theories. The kind of idiot thinking that airbrushes out the male-male sex from Ancient Greek history too- like the university Don taching a Classics' class in the film of E.M. Forster's 'Maurice', who, when they get to a part of the Greek text dealing with homosexuality, says

'...omit the reference to the unspeakable vice of the Greeks' .

He wasn't referring to their tendency not to flavour their spinach with nutmeg, methinks.

Anyway, as has been pointed out, the film 'Troy' isn't a documentary or cinema verite- it's a film of an epic poem that itself was about events that didn't actually relate to the site that Schliemann called Troy, and in all probability didn't relate to any particular one Troy, but used 'Troy' in much the same way that Camelot is used in Arthurian legend.

As for verisimilitude in the battle scenes- well, Homer has gods playing a part in his battle scenes, and how realistic is that? More to the point, a modern audience that has seen 'Saving Private Ryan' or 'A Bridge Too Far' wants crowded battle scenes, not 400 Hoplites versus 1 000 Immortals or 600 cataphracts.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


I was going to say something, but you're Australian and probably descended from some crazy British criminal, and I like living.

No I'm not, and no I'm not.

I'm descended from Irish peasantry. Make of that what you will, but you won't come up with any anti-Irish slur I haven't heard before.

Bejabers and begorrah....

[axi]

I had very little catharsis

The Illiad is not a tragedy, it's an epic. There is no catharsis in epics, only great deeds.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by axi


The Illiad is not a tragedy, it's an epic. There is no catharsis in epics, only great deeds.

Exactly- the audience would have 'known' the outcome, and would have expected Achilles to modify his behaviour, and surrender the body of Hector to Priam, and to avenge the death of Patroklos, and so on.

Although it could be said that immoderate anger is the tragic flaw of Achilles, but as in so many other Greek myths, you 'know' that the fate of the protagonists has already been determined, it's the working out that is of interest.

[Imran Siddiqui]

they are wrong!

Most critics don't seem to think so .

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

they are wrong!

Most critics don't seem to think so .

Agree with you re: 'Lost in Translation', Imran.

I think Sofia Coppola has more than atoned for her clunkazoid appearance in 'The Godfather III' with 'The Virgin Suicides' and 'Lost in Translation'.

I think she capturted the sense of isolation and dislocation of being in a foreign country perfectly, and having Bill Murray's lugubrious melancholy countenance as one of the means of showing us that sense of 'aloneness' was a perfect choice. I've always thought that good comedy actors make for very good tragicomic actors too, they just need the chance to show their stuff.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Murray has done a good number of those roles recently . He was great in Rushmore and in his bit role in The Royal Tennenbaums.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Murray has done a good number of those roles recently . He was great in Rushmore and in his bit role in The Royal Tennenbaums.

Yes, there's something about that face, like the wedding cake left out in the rain...

I think he'd be great in 'Death of a Salesman' or 'Waiting for Godot'.