Troy

[Drake Tungsten]

****, I remembered the Trojan Horse being at the beginning of the Odyssey for some reason. That's what I get for reading them back to back...

[Drake Tungsten]

dp

[Drake Tungsten]

the trifecta

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well if the Horse was at the beginning of the Odyssey, then the Illiad would have had a piss poor ending, wouldn't it?

[Drake Tungsten]

Actually, a quick search on the web seems to indicate that I was right...

By closing with the burial of Hector, Homer leaves us with a feeling of great loss. Hector has his glory: is body is finally given the respect it deserves, and he dies beloved and praised by his people. But we also know that his people are doomed, and that the cease-fire granted by Achilles is only a postponement of the inevitable. Although its citizens have been loyal to the gods, the city of Troy will perish, and the Achaeans will deal with her people brutally. At times, Homer glorifies aspects of war, depicting its power to call out the best of his heroes. Under the conditions of warfare, men find previously unknown sources of courage, sacrifice, and loyalty. But Homer finishes the Iliad with a funeral for a great man, attended by his ill-fated people, and the tone is overwhelmingly one of sorrow. Significantly, the last glimpses of both the Achaeans and the Trojans show both groups in mourning, and the very last moments of the poem depict the doomed Trojans rather than the victorious Achaeans. Our last memory of the Iliad is of this doomed people, who have already lost so much and now must mourn their champion. And still, even after all that the Trojans have endured, we know that the worst of their suffering is yet to come.

http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/iliad/summ6.html

Fool indeed...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The Trojan Horse WAS in the Illiad, fool!

The Iliad ends with a truce between the Achaeans and the Trojans, with Achilles still alive, having tendered the corpse of slain Hector back to the Trojans, and with the funeral rites of Hector, 'tamer of horses'.

(Book XIV, Priam and Achilles)

Clippety clop, no hoss.

http://www.2020site.org/trojanwar/endilliad.html

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ah, son of a *****. But Homer was the one who wrote about the Trojan Horse... so the main point still stands . The fact it was in the Odyssey is only a minor point... like Shelob being in the TTT instead of the ROTK. That doesn't mean that the movie ROTK wasn't based on the book ROTK.

[Drake Tungsten]

so the main point still stands

I thought your main point was that the whole movie was based on the Illiad?

[joncha]

Lots of people wrote about the Trojan Horse, and it's debatable whether the Homer of the Iliad and the Homer of the Odyssey are one and the same person.

[joncha]

How's life in Ukkake Bay, DT? Have they cleaned it up yet?

[Drake Tungsten]

The poor girl's still working on it, joncha...

[joncha]

*ahem*

So... Troy... yeah, good movie.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, my main point was that Troy the movie is based on Homer's work and therefore it is critisizable as not being consistent with it... just as any other movie based on a source is critisizable when it moves away from it.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
... so the main point still stands ..

That you think you know your 'Iliad' butcha don't, Blanche?

Homer didn't have exclusive rights on Troy, or the Trojan Horse, neither, guv'nor, nor was he the onlie begetter.

Like Shakespeare's 'Hamlet' and Marlowe's 'Dr. Faustus' there's an earlier myth/story, 'the Story of Achilles', or 'the Achilleis'.

Livy and Apollodorus and Dionysus of Halicarnassus are responsible for the characterization of noble Aeneas, carrying Anchises upon his back, and surviving the Sack of Troy.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Aeneus is not integral...read on if you want to know what his bit part was

Spoiler:

As Paris helps people into the escape tunnel, he catches a boy who's helping an old man out. He gives the boy the sword of Troy and tells him that as long as it is in Trojan hands, the people of Troy will always have a home, or will always survive, or something like that. I really liked that they threw it in.