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  • Originally posted by Boris Godunov


    Many people who were Republican aren't anymore, because they feel the RR has idealogically debased the party.

    And no, a complete severance is NOT necessary. Only enough of a divergence to change the core values of the party. To many, that's exactly what the RR has done to the party. The focus on "moral values" and intrusive government to do so is something many Republicans find regnant, as is the loss of fiscal discipline.
    Yep, it's exactly those issues that pushed me away from the party more than 20 years ago.
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    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
      I think I might have supported Goldwater over Nixon.
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      • Originally posted by Sikander
        Yep, it's exactly those issues that pushed me away from the party more than 20 years ago.
        My grandfather was the same way. He was a loyal Taft Republican, but once the RR got into the party and the focus shifted, he got disgusted. He held on for as long as he could, hoping the party would change back. Then Newt came along...
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        • Anyone have a link to any Goldwater articles not dealing with gays? I'd like to see his stances on issues of actual importance.
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          • Goldwater was pretty cool.

            I was a hardcore Republican once. I liked Newt Gingrich because he forced the US government to stop spending so much money.

            I voted for Bob Dole in 1996.

            But George Bush is the epitome of Republican hypocrisy.

            The Republicans objected to use of force around the world when Clinton was in office, "We can't be the worlds policemen!"
            The Republicans shut down the government when dem's would not stop spending.

            And then here comes W, who rushes into war, and spends money like it's water. Had I not voted Libertarian in 2000, I would have voted for Bush.... I am so glad I did not.

            I am dead positive, if I voted for Kerry, I would regret it within months as well. He and Bush are so close on so many issues, I don't see a difference between the two.
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            • Originally posted by Boris Godunov
              My grandfather was the same way. He was a loyal Taft Republican, but once the RR got into the party and the focus shifted, he got disgusted. He held on for as long as he could, hoping the party would change back. Then Newt came along...
              The Democrats aren't good alternatives, though

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              • Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                Depends on what you mean by "as bad as." That could encompass many things. He's "as bad as" Sharpton in terms of him being someone for whom I'd rather not vote at all than vote for. But for different reasons.
                I mean that, while I'm not a Lieberman fan, he seems to have some sort of actual plan for the future, which may or may not be good but has at least been thought about to some extent. Sharpton has no apparent plan at all beyond rabblerousing and paranoia. Usually I think it's a bit extreme to say a politician is just running to get attention, but in Sharpton's case I really can't see anything else.
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                • Originally posted by NeOmega
                  The Republicans objected to use of force around the world when Clinton was in office, "We can't be the worlds policemen!"
                  The Republicans shut down the government when dem's would not stop spending.

                  And then here comes W, who rushes into war, and spends money like it's water. Had I not voted Libertarian in 2000, I would have voted for Bush.... I am so glad I did not.
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                  • The world changed on 9-11.


                    No it didn't. People just woke up.

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                    • differences between rupblicans and democrats

                      no iraq war
                      no tax cuts
                      maybe there wouldnt be this backlash against gays

                      and im sure there are several more
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                      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                        What's his position on abortion?

                        I think I might have supported Goldwater over Nixon.



                        This is where I disagree with Goldwater. Your sexual preferences should have nothing to do with your service in the military.

                        Second paper has nothing I disagree with.
                        Goldwater is pro-abortion.

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                        • I'm pro-Iraq. I just think Bush is doing it poorly.
                          I'm pro-tax cuts, in general. There's just the little issue of cutting spending as well
                          Kerry and Bush are both anti-gay marriage - makes me wonder if the religious right has taken over the Democrats too

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                          • Kerry is anti-gay marriage 'cause it wouldn't do his campaign any good to have him sanctioned or excommunicated (not likely, but possible) by his Church.

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                            • Originally posted by Elok
                              I mean that, while I'm not a Lieberman fan, he seems to have some sort of actual plan for the future, which may or may not be good but has at least been thought about to some extent. Sharpton has no apparent plan at all beyond rabblerousing and paranoia. Usually I think it's a bit extreme to say a politician is just running to get attention, but in Sharpton's case I really can't see anything else.
                              Leiberman has a plan, yes, and it stinks. I wouldn't vote for him. Talk about there being no difference between the Democrats and Republicans--he's as Republican as Bush as far as I can see.

                              Sharpton lost my vote primarily because of the Tawana Bradley affair and his refusal to accept he was wrong on that, despite her admission she lied. He's a douchebag who ruined people's lives.
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                              • Originally posted by JohnT
                                Kerry is anti-gay marriage 'cause it wouldn't do his campaign any good to have him sanctioned or excommunicated (not likely, but possible) by his Church.
                                Well, if his pro-choice stance doesn't do that, I don't see why supporting gay marriage would.

                                Kerry wants the states to decide for themselves, which I can handle. His personal opposition to it comes in name only, as he would approve of civil unions with all rights of marriage. I can stomach that in contrast to Bush, who actually wants to enshrine gay bashing in the Constitution.
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