6 US Troops charged for maltreating Iraqi jail inmates

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I know it can be. But who outside of the service would give a rat's ass.

Pretty much nobody, except for the few lawyers in the civvie world who do military law.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
On the site Gangerolf linked to, is this quote:

Appearing on CNN's "American Morning," an attorney for Pfc. Lynndie England said the Abu Ghraib photos were "staged" by intelligence officials who were running the prison at the time. England was photographed holding what appears to be a leash attached to the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner. She faces four charges, including committing an indecent act and assaulting Iraqi detainees on multiple occasions. "They are psychological operations photos," said attorney Giorgio Ra'Shadd.

"I vass only folloving ohrders"

The other line of **** her lawyer is floating out is how she (and the other female soldiers) were victims too, because they were poow widdle girls who were less likely to question or object to orders from those big, nasty, macho, horrible men who gave them orders. *snif*

[DinoDoc]

I'm guessing these trials won't last long if they can not come up with a better defense than that.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
The other line of **** her lawyer is floating out is how she (and the other female soldiers) were victims too, because they were poow widdle girls who were less likely to question or object to orders from those big, nasty, macho, horrible men who gave them orders. *snif*

This is probably true. She looks so oppressed and unhappy on these pictures.

[General Ludd]

If anything, their defense should focus on how undermanned the prison was. 1 personel for every hundred prisoners is a bit ridiculous.

[DinoDoc]

I don't think that's a mitigating factor for engaging in kinky s & m games with the prisoners.

[MrFun]

No really guys -- those pictures were posed -- they weren't pictures of actual action being carried out.


Just like them Holocaust concentration camp pictures were posed -- so therefore, the Holocaust did not really happen.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I don't think that's a mitigating factor for engaging in kinky s & m games with the prisoners.

Not specifically, no. But I think it's a reasonable argument to say that such a situation is likely to lead to a break-down of order, and whatever kind of chaos ensues.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by SpencerH


The choice that seems to be most bandied about is that the guards were stupid. The other alternative is that the photos were to be used either to pressure the inmates as part of their interrogation or perhaps illegally i.e. non-sanctioned blackmail.

In a book I was reading once than German Enlist man was part of the Germany Army Command took picture of SS men mistreating people. The SS was unable to stop him from takeing pictures of take his cammeor away as he have the legal authority to take picture anywhere in the occup territory.

[Az]

Don't worry, Charlie, your buddies are spreading the love, too.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5108202

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Agathon


Actually, history tends to prove that false.

Weird about the El Paso thing. It sounds like the UK where people tend to distrust and fear the military. They are not particularly popular.

El Paso is than Military town the old time vertan of the army are mad about the new army engauging in Nazie like behaviour on POW. In fact the police arrest than man who threaten the El PasoI Islamic Center by turning it into center of death and destrution sent by E-mail. I than thinking of invisting the world media to the trail so to make sure he doesnot get off the easy.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm guessing these trials won't last long if they can not come up with a better defense than that.

There's not much of a defense that would help them at trial in the face of the evidence in hand that's already in the public domain, let alone in the investigative reports. This is for all the post-trial posturing and attempts to politicize the issue of the poow widdle weservist victims and the big bad army.

I'd guess they're looking for mitigation in sentencing, and/or working the talk show/radio circuit, since they'll all need to find new careers in any event.

[chequita guevara]

I heard on NPR that the soldier who took the pictures was taking them as evidence of what was going on, or so his father claims.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by General Ludd
If anything, their defense should focus on how undermanned the prison was. 1 personel for every hundred prisoners is a bit ridiculous.

The military is very unfriendly to that sort of defense - the issue at trial will be the specific conduct of the soldiers, not some general complaint about policy and manpower or supervision issues.

[CharlesBHoff]

Well Huge number of the people in El Paso are disguise is our military and want to disband it total and form than new one better train.