6 US Troops charged for maltreating Iraqi jail inmates

[Tripledoc]

Relax. Don't do it Lyndee England!

It's amusing that some should think that American civilization were the inventors of this proud cultural construct of S&M and War, of which the world public has now been privy to a glance thanks to the 'happenings' at Abu Gharib prison.

Already in April 1982 after Argentine took control of the Maldivas the Falkands War S&M was all the hype in England.

One only needs to go to the documentary website www.fgth.org.uk, and then click on the "pre-bang" feature , then play the promovideo named " Two Tribes & Relax Promo; filmed at the hope and anchor pub Islington, North London July 1982."

Here the halfnaked band dressed in leather sings only slightly ironic musings on Man and War, as it were.

Maybe 'hope and anchor' club were frequented by navy personel?

Certainly there is this unnerving connection between this culture of Sadism, Art, Fashion, and War.

Something surreal is happening to our perception of the world, but it is not exactly a paradigm shift . Maybe it points to a kind of 'Anglication' of American culture in some way or another.

But this 'new knowledge' thing is certainly getting out of hand...

[Ted Striker]

S&M is purley a Eurocom invention that has existed for centuries.

[Sava]

Ted, would you do PFC Liddy England? The woman smiling and laughing in all those Iraqi prisoner abuse photos...

[Ted Striker]

No way

[Sava]

apparantly there's a tape of her having sex with another MP... she's also pregnant with his baby.

[Alexander's Horse]

Oh come on Ted, you'd love it. Bark for me.

[Ted Striker]

gross

[CharlesBHoff]

There are two type of vote of no confi in England Parl one change the party or parties in power the other one apply to the PM only than remove the PM from power without changeing the Government. The last time the PM personal vote of no confi insovl than PM who rape than very underage female who refuse to resign his post when ask by his party.

[Az]

Atleast he isn't ignored for his opinions, like some are.

Oh, yes he is. :P

[BeBMan]

Anybody here familiar with the exact rules of the Geneva conventions?

I read that the Pentagon has declared hooding, sleep deprivation and some other things are within those rules? If so, why is that?

Edit: Just saw it, obviously Wolfowitz has the same weak knowledge of the conventions like me....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/13/abuse.interrogation/index.html

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Sava
apparantly there's a tape of her having sex with another MP... she's also pregnant with his baby.

Make that a number of MPs, and in front of the prisoners.

Weird. Why would anyone want to: a) have sex with her, b) do it in public.

Of course, she was probably just following orders.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9556450%255E401,00.html

[Tripledoc]

But is it art?

The Abu Ghraib photo gallery of S&M imagery, far from being a prank, is art. Monstrously perverted, even vile, yet the sheer horror of it, calculated to elicit an emotional reaction, qualifies it as such, at least technically, as much as the work of Robert Mapplethorpe. What we are talking about, in this case, is the art of propaganda, or, at least, the nexus where pornography and propaganda meet.

The two forms have much in common. Both are inherently crude, and share a certain hectoring, relentless style calculated to bypass the brain and go directly to the lower cortex with their messages, respectively:

All women are whores (heterosexual),

All men are whores (gay male),

All Arabs are whores (U.S. Department of Defense).

The will to domination permeates the propaganda of the flesh, including the rather specialized variety exemplified by the Abu Ghraib photo-montage of Arabic degradation. Cruelty and role-playing, creating and reinforcing stereotypes of dominance and submission, are key elements of what can only be called pornoganda.

Abu Ghraib and the Pornography of Power

[Jac de Molay]

More horrifying pictures of abuse...

[SpencerH]

From article 17

"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. "

There are no ifs, ands, or buts, the 'softening up process' and interrogations are contrary to the Geneva convention, provided the Iraqi's being detained are in fact POW's.

[the_ceebs]

More that will probably have you reaching for that tinfoil hat

9/11 connection. Apparently, Zacarias Moussaoui used Berg's email address for some reason while Berg was at Oklahoma Uni.

Trying to track down a reliable source for this at the moment, but news sources are talking openly about it.