6 US Troops charged for maltreating Iraqi jail inmates

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by East Street Trader
No doubt Che will tell me that one law for the rich and another for the poor is nothing very new.

Leave me outta this.

[GePap]

Originally posted by MrFun


So enlighten the rest of us.

DD said:

Sorry. People quoting themselves confused me.

[MrFun]

So then Boris thought there was a joke when there was none?


ok

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
So then Boris thought there was a joke when there was none?

No joke. Just a backhanded insult to people that quote themselves as if they've made a new or interesting point that should be forced on the rest of us.

[MrFun]

Ah -- I see. When was the last time I quoted myself? Last month?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Oh good - that's me off the hook then

I thought you were just a sorry-assed reserve LT or something? That'd be company grade. We do use them as scapegoats on occasion, like Bill Calley.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Be honored Fun, you've inspired a new euphamism. Doing a MrFun, wherein you feel the need to requote earlier points as they are otherwise ignored.

[MrFun]

Wow -- I do feel so honored.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
MtG, there is no such thing as a legitimate question to a POW other than: name, rank, number. That's it.

That's when you determine they're POWs, and what happens in the real world is a bit different. "Legitimacy" is defined by tactical need.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by GePap
The WH, IIRC.

Rummy already got a public reprimand, which from this admin. is a huge slap. BUt getting rid of him?

Chairman Myers would be a good pic-he goes on TV to say he had not yet seen the report? Hello!

Myers should go on the general principal that I don't think the Chairman and Vice-Chairman of JCS should be anything other than Army and USMC, but Myers and JCS are not a part of the chain of command, and wouldn't routinely receive this type of theater command or investigative report unless it was directed to them from the office of the SecDef or the President.

Rummy is a political appointee, so getting rid of him or not is a political move, not a fix to the real problem. Senior officers need to be relieved and separated from service, or imprisoned and dishonorably discharged, depending on their degree of culpability. Only real and direct judicial action on those in real authority will assure that the message gets across.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DanS
I like Rummy too. He has done a lot of good work over the last 3 years.

You mean like keeping the Army too small to reasonably accomplish all the missions it is now tasked with, while promoting funding for more of the usual techno-pie-in-the-sky?

Or failing to force the USMC to update it's casualty prone doctrine significantly from the days of "Remember the Mayaguez?"

That good work?

[Agathon]

I was thinking about this. My grandfather spent 5 years in a German POW camp and he never saw any beatings or anything like this.

I guess the Germans saved that for their other camps.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


That's when you determine they're POWs, and what happens in the real world is a bit different. "Legitimacy" is defined by tactical need.

So they're not POWs?

Funny definition. Is there anyone who isn't an unlawful warrior according to American standards?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


So they're not POWs?

Funny definition. Is there anyone who isn't an unlawful warrior according to American standards?

I didn't say they were or weren't. IIRC, some are non-combat prisoners, such as looters, thieves, etc., some are POW's, some are Baath Party types, etc. who may be under one status or another.

I was refering to the situation when you immediately take a prisoner in the field, and at that point, their status is undetermined. Reality is that you'll question them about who they're with, in what force, etc., or whatever other useful info you need to know at the moment. Then they get sent down the line and processed as prisoners, and the rules are a bit different once you have them in real custody.

[Fake Boris]

Where are you heading to? Do you think that the Convention allows torture just to determine the status of a prisoner?