Noah's Arc

[Docfeelgood]

Way back I stated that I am not very good in trying to explain GOD.


I feel foolish in making myself look so ignorant.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Aeson
There will always be more questions. Answering "Is there is a God?" at least allows you to get on to another question.

No it doesn't - it doesn't answer the question at all!

For the sake of simplicity, let's just assume the universe to be deterministic for a moment (if it's probabilistic, then just know that I'm talking about the most likely outcome, OK? It's easier to write it this way.) The universe started in some configuration such that it would eventually reach a state where there were intelligent life-forms on a certain random planet on a certain random star in a certain random galaxy. Let's call this point A (along the timeline of the universe), and the point where there's life point B. Now, what is added by saying "Oh! There's actually a point, let's call it pre-A, where some omnipotent creator made the universe at that particular configuration at point A!"? You've still got a universe that is in a condition such that intelligent life will occur, and you've added the completely unjustified omnipotent Creator thing before that! Not only does it not answer the question in the slightest, but it adds new, completely unnecessary question!

[Docfeelgood]

Sorry,That is way over my head


I am of lil help on trying to explain on that one.

[Docfeelgood]

I just thought of something



It just might be because of my simple mind that I am able to understand and believe in GOD.

[Kuciwalker]

Basically, saying "there is a Creator" answers nothing, and even adds questions.

[Docfeelgood]

Basically, saying "there is a Creator" answers nothing, and even adds questions

The only thing I can add is that when you stand before GOD ask all the questions you ever wanted answered.


I am sorry this doesn't help you in your search for understanding or believing in GOD.




BTW
I do believe you all want to find GOD because you would not be asking for proof


I am sorry I cannot be of help.
Keep your mind open to the possability

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood
how bout this?

Can you prove that your mother or father loves you?

HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!!!

You plagiarized that from that awful Jodie Foster film, Contact.

Go ask Ming to ban you as penance.

[Docfeelgood]

You plagiarized that from that awful Jodie Foster film, Contact.

Did I really?


I thought I just did an original idea.

Truth

I swear.

[Agathon]

You false witness bearer, you.

[Docfeelgood]

Gene Simmons.


I envy that tounge

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kucinich
No it doesn't - it doesn't answer the question at all!

The answer to "Is there a God" answers the question of if there is a God. I don't see how you can debate that. If you have an answer to the question, it answers it.

Now, what is added by saying "Oh! There's actually a point, let's call it pre-A, where some omnipotent creator made the universe at that particular configuration at point A!"? You've still got a universe that is in a condition such that intelligent life will occur, and you've added the completely unjustified omnipotent Creator thing before that! Not only does it not answer the question in the slightest, but it adds new, completely unnecessary question!

The question offered was not "Is there a point?", "How was the universe created?", or "Why?", just "Is there is a God?" If there is a God, the answer is yes. If there isn't a God, the answer is no. I don't know the answer, some claim they do (yes and no). In any case, the question is answerable with the proper knowlege.

[Flip McWho]

Exactly Aeson. Having that answer to that question also gives you more ability to answer following questions, or attempt to answer following question. If the universe is just randomly created then that leads itself to certain answers or explanations whereas if the universe was created by a God then certain other answers/explanations are more prevalent.

Doc, don't worry, I at least understand what you are saying, I'm just a skeptical person at heart.

[Agathon]

I once worked for a man who claimed that God spoke to him. He was a really nice guy and was happy to talk about it. I asked him why he was sure it was God talking to him, and he said he'd thought about that and decided that given what was said, it couldn't really be anyone else. He didn't come off as a kook or anything like that, he was quite genuine and understood if anyone didn't believe him.

He also told me that he hated religious people who tried to push their religious values on others, since he said he had no reason to believe others who said that God did not talk to them, and that it was pointless and evil to try and convince anyone else, because you couldn't unless God had spoken to them too. He said that there were some things that could not really be communicated to others and thus should not be used against them.

It goes without saying that I was really impressed with this man's character. I don't know whether God spoke to him or not, but I believe that he sincerely believed that God did and could see no reasonable way to deny it.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood
Can you prove that your mother or father loves you?

To you? First, we need to agree on what constitutes "love," but there's a widespred definition we could probably agree on. Then, we can agree on how a person would act if that person loves you, and see if my parents act in such a way.

Originally posted by Docfeelgood
My faith is as real to me as your love for your parents or their love for you.

The fundamental difference is not even you could begin on a definition of your god.

[GePap]

Everyone keep talking about knowing God exits. What God? BY that I mean, just because you assume there was some sentience that created the universe, what gives you the ability to have any idea what it is like? It might very well be totally alien and have no interest whatsoever in anything anymore, since creation.

So even if you assume there was a sentience that created the universe and label that God, you still have no reason to think it could even communicate with Human or that it would even care.