Oh, CRAP! Ex-Football Star Pat Tillman KIA in Afghanistan - Official

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Spray relax

I think he was an idiot to choose a life of state-sponsored murder and daily risk over a few million dollars. I would choose living in the gutter over the former. It sucks when people die, no matter what side, but imo, you're an idiot if you get yourself into that situation, the reasons ultimately having the same worth as the dirt you're bleeding in.

State-sponsored murder is an oxymoron.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Sava
This is a bigger media circus than Jessica Lynch.

I still want to hit it.

[Gatekeeper]

asleepathewheel, Drake:

I agree that there are some people who probably did get into the reserves and whatnot w/o clearly thinking it through, assuming they'd never have fight. Fortunately, they're the clear minority.

Speaking of reserves, weren't there members of a Missouri National Guard unit that refused to go to Kuwait in the lead-up to the first Gulf War? I was a sophomore in HS back then, but I'm sure that was the case. Insofar as I know, that hasn't happened among any of the units sent to Iraq during and after the second Gulf War (though there was a deserter I read about a few weeks ago, up in Canada).

Gatekeeper

[Dis]

I didn't join the naval reserves because I knew Bush was itching to go to Iraq. It didn't take a genius to figure it out. This was 1 year before the war started, and a long time before we put pressure on the U.N. but you could hear it in Bush's speeches. I knew it was going to happen.

Of course I wouldn't actually have to fight being in the naval reserves. I just didn't want to get called up and have to serve in Bahrain. I hate the middle east with a passion. It's so damn hot, and there's nothing to do. I just wanted to do the weekends and the 2 weeks. I had no interest in long term duty. So I ended up not joining, because with Bush as prez, I knew there was a decent chance of me getting called up.

[Gatekeeper]

I wouldn't worry too much, Diss. From what I've read, the military is doing pretty good in terms of retention rates for personnel. About the only division behind its retention quota is the 82nd Airborne ...

Gatekeeper

[Dis]

oh I would never do it for my country

I was thinking about it for the pay . And like I said, I would never join the army . My skills aren't of the fighting nature. I like to operate and fix things. I work with my hands.

[Dis]

although one interesting thing to note is today I think is the first time any sailors have been Killed in Action during this war.

2 U.S. sailors died today on that attack on the oil platform.

so being in the navy isn't completely safe. But I still preferred that duty over front line action .

[Gatekeeper]

Heh. Well, to each their own. Speaking of that, it's time to hit the hay ...

[Whaleboy]

Originally posted by Kucinich


State-sponsored murder is an oxymoron.

Hungary, sometime in WWII

Edit by MtG: No photos of corpses will be posted. Period. Don't do it again.

[The Mad Viking]

Whaleboy -

tou-f*cking-che!

Kucinich just got pwned!

[SlowwHand]

You're the biggest herd of dumbasses ever gathered together in one spot.
The only thing missing is a big "L" tattooed on your forehead, indicating LOSER.

[Whaleboy]

But you love us Sloww *suggestive grin*

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Kucinich
State-sponsored murder is an oxymoron.

A less-emotive-than-Whaleboy's response:
Not when it's committed on members of another state. When Libyan agents bombed the Lockerbie plane, that was state sponsored murder, because Libya didn't have the right to sponsor murder in another nation.

I agree with Whaleboy on Hungary in WWII, but I think it's a bit of an emotive argument.

[Japher]

You're the biggest herd of dumbasses ever gathered together in one spot.
The only thing missing is a big "L" tattooed on your forehead, indicating LOSER.

I would disagree, the Cowboys locker room has more ppl in it at times...

But you love us Sloww *suggestive grin*

I don't think he was excluding himself

[Whaleboy]

I agree with Whaleboy on Hungary in WWII, but I think it's a bit of an emotive argument.

Mine was not an argument, it was an example. My argument is that the death that is directly attributed to the intended actions of a state (as is the standard definition of murder) is state-sponsored murder (since the actual killers are acting in the name and under the orders of that state).