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  • #106
    Why? Your little darling pronouncements so invite trolls.

    Besides, I doubt conservatives as a whole prefer the citizen army simply due to possible qualitative edge.
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    • #107
      Why not?
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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      • #108
        I can't wait for the draft to start saturday

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        • #109
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Why not?
          Cause you are the ONLY one to ever bring that up-and I have not seen many other anywhere make the claim.
          If you don't like reality, change it! me
          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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          • #110
            Originally posted by GePap


            Interesitngly , in the past, the rich were as likely to die in wars as the poor. NOt anymore.
            Do you ever tire of being wrong? In the Civil War when conscription became en vogue the big rub was that the rich could buy their way out of service.
            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • #111
              What I don't understand is why Hagel is getting all the flak when, in fact, it was Charles Rangel (D, NY) who introduced the bill calling to re-instate the draft... and did so 14 months ago. Now a lot of people said he* did it as a joke, a way to protest the war... but here he still is, calling for the draft.



              Of course, their motives are less than exemplary... Rather than having an all-volunteer army face the dangers, they are worried that the death and destruction aren't spread across a broad enough segment of society. Rangle himself complained that minorities (Blacks and Hispanics (He didn't mention Asians/Native Americans/etc... I guess B&H's are the only minorities that count in Rangels world) account for 25% of the deaths in Iraq....

              ... While ignoring that the army is over 30% black and hispanic.

              ... While ignoring that the B&H population is 26.5% of the total US population.

              Looking at the facts and then juxtapositioning their positions on the issue, Rangel and Hagel are obviously (if unknowingly) calling for an even greater percentage of Black and Hispanic deaths in Iraq.

              *The other sponsor on the bill was Fritz Hollings (D, SC).

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              • #112
                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                Do you ever tire of being wrong? In the Civil War when conscription became en vogue the big rub was that the rich could buy their way out of service.
                Hell, it was legal to buy your way out of service.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                  Do you ever tire of being wrong? In the Civil War when conscription became en vogue the big rub was that the rich could buy their way out of service.
                  Wow, I did not know human history begun in 1860!!! WOW, INCREDABLE!!!

                  So I guess the whole bit about kings having to go to battle, landowners also being warriors, the young sons of the noble having to be kinghts to earn respect and so on counts as, what? Dog history?
                  If you don't like reality, change it! me
                  "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                  "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                  "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #114
                    Wow! I didn't realize American history and American conscription existed in times of knights!!

                    Which in the context of Rangel is what he is talking about.
                    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                    • #115
                      Originally posted by GePap


                      Wow, I did not know human history begun in 1860!!! WOW, INCREDABLE!!!

                      So I guess the whole bit about kings having to go to battle, landowners also being warriors, the young sons of the noble having to be kinghts to earn respect and so on counts as, what? Dog history?
                      Republican, warmongering, neocon propoganda to get us to all accept the idea of conflict. Of course history only started in 1860...thought you knew that Gepap
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                        Wow! I didn't realize American history and American conscription existed in times of knights!!

                        Which in the context of Rangel is what he is talking about.
                        NOt the context my comment was made in-so one demerit for making a assumption of yourself.
                        If you don't like reality, change it! me
                        "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                        "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                        "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                        • #117
                          Then 2 demerits for being a thread jackasser to you.
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • #118
                            Ming, Im not feeling ur new avvy. Ur old one was much more terrifying.

                            Getting drafted sounds fun! Get pissed off at government, put my life on hold, patrol around stinkin desert and eat a bullet.

                            Sounds great where do I sign up? errr... forced to get signed up? errr whatever.
                            :-p

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by PLATO


                              Republican, warmongering, neocon propoganda to get us to all accept the idea of conflict. Of course history only started in 1860...thought you knew that Gepap
                              You mean like how Republican presidents such as Reagan snuggled with brutal, blood-thirsty dictators in Central America?




                              Not to mention the fact that the Repbulican party of the 1860s was a vastly different party from the Republican party of today.
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Tripledoc
                                For the honored senators to give his Emperor the right to make use of foreign auxiliaries is not immoral, but for the senators to allow the populace to be dependant on men not citizens of the Republic is surely immoral.
                                Ah, so you're arguing that pursueing (sp?) an unwise couse of action as a leader is immoral as a breach of responsibility... which nevertheless is just and argument that it may not be the most beneficial thing to do. Clearly, the administration thinks it is.

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